Books pricing themselves out of reach?

kenobi65 said:
And $1 to fill up the tank on your Model T so you could drive to your FLGS to buy those. ;)


and the gas had lead in it. and we liked it that way. :p


i laugh b/c i paid $5 for a box of 10 dwarves from grenadier.

and $10 for the box of 20 lead minis...

a few years later i bought the whole store out of its stock of minis for pennies on the dollar.

patience is a virtue. if you have it you will reap the rewards.
 

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Regardless of the price, I rarely pay cover price for a book. I always go through Amazon and ebay.

That said, the price is relative to the book in question. I won't pay $25-$30 for a WotC book but I will for Grim Tales, Conan, Mutants & Masterminds, etc.

I'd own Conan, but I won't buy a $50 game book just on principal.

I got mine in the mid-30's on ebay.

ameribucks

LOL. I like this. :D
 

It depends on what you compare rpg books with - other books or other forms of entertainment.

If the former, rpg books are an unusual size and are printed in small runs, so they will of course be more expensive than the average book.

If the latter, they are probably underpriced! Consider a PC or video game; in just about every instance you will get more mileage out of the book in terms of replay, and probably pay less. Even a decent tabletop game will set you back over $30; War of the Ring is $60 (and worth every penny). One ticket to a pro sporting event probably exceeds $50. And a movie for four, incuding snacks - one night of roleplaying, if you will - approaches $50 in large markets as well.
 

You have to deal with the price of college books for about 4 years. Gaming is a life long passion for me. I would love to buy the Babylon 5 series or the Conan series or the Scarred Lands series or...well you get the idea.

Currently the only game books I'm buying are the select WotC books and the Midnight line.



BlackMoria said:
The price of books is relative.... if you think RPG books are expensive, then consider the cost of textbooks if you are going to college or university. The price of text books is postively obscene in comparison.

Which is why the price of RPG books doesn't get me worked up. Now the price of textbooks....that is good for elevating one's blood pressure.
 

Committed Hero said:
....one night of roleplaying, if you will - approaches $50 in large markets as well.


one night in Bangkok where the world's your oyster...


i pay on avg. $30 per weekend for my gaming. on snacks, gas, and drinks.
 

I think it all depends on what kind of use it'll get (either in game, inspirational source, or just fun to read/page through).
A 224 page full color hardcover monster book @ $30 is a no brainer when i'm the DM.
A 800+ hardcover mapinvested super dungeon @ $100 might not be worth it when my current players are absolutely not interested in a dungeon adventure.
A 160 page class book (full color and hardcover) filled with prestige classes, feats, spells, etc. @ $30 isn't high on the priority list either as we got fed up with prestige classes, and i don't want my players to start a feat or spell arms race.
A 192 page city book (FC, HC) @ $30 is a welcome addition any time.
 

My .02$, like Kane said my determination on book buying is really based on how much use I will get out of it. I'll spend just about whatever if I think I am going to use a product a lot. Drastically less if I am just buying it for geekcred. The only two lines I will buy without having an immediate use for any more are Call of Cthulhu and D20 Bab5.
 

JoeGKushner said:
Unlike say most fiction though, outside of E-Bay, you'll never see these books go on sale. I just picked up the Jester in hardcover for less than I can buy it in paperback for example.

Big publishers "remainder" books that aren't selling to make room in their warehouses. That means that they often sell them at or below cost and don't make any money on them. Big publishers that sell millions of books can afford that sort of write-off.

JoeGKushner said:
Heck, even expensive coffee table books which run for $19.95 to $29.95 are half the price they first came out at.

Am I just nuts?

No. You just don't fully understand the economics of printing books. The short answer is that the more books you print, the cheaper they are to produce. Coffee table books have print runs that most role-playing game publishers could only dream of. If you really want a good comparison for the price of role-playing games, take a look at niche low-print run academic publications where you'll find plenty of books priced at $40, $80, or even $120. You can also look at the books published for other small niche hobbies. They are frequently quite expensive, too.

The fact that nobody is getting rich writing or selling role-playing books should suggest that nobody is getting ripped off. If anything, a lot of role-playing game publishers go out of business because they aren't making enough money.

And, remember, they aren't in business as a charity. They do deserve to make some profit from their effort.

JoeGKushner said:
I mean, one of the old Necromancer adventuers went for like $12.95 at 96 pages a few years ago. The reprint, due to limited demand and what not, would be like $25 bones. And most 96 page books are around that price.

Consider inflation. When my father was a child, you could get a loaf of bread for $0.05. Does that mean that bakers are ripping people off because they no longer sell a loaf of bread for a nickel? The cost of paper and printing have gone up substantially since the 1970s for a variety of reasons (e.g., stricter environmental controls on paper production, higher labor costs, higher demand, better quality, etc.). Consider how much even mass market paperbacks have increased in cost since the late 1970s.

JoeGKushner said:
Not the publishers fault I imagine but outside of printing the books in Canada, I think we may get a little bit of a backlash of books not because people don't like or want the books, but simply can't afford 'em.

Printing books in Canada isn't as much of a bargain as it used to be since the US decided to let the dollar weaken to correct trade imbalance problems. That it's no longer as much of a bargain to print in Canada is part of that correction.

JoeGKushner said:
Opinions?

When you see role-playing game publishers and writers drive up to GenCon in a Bently covered with bling, you'll know you are being ripped off. Simply put, they are selling books at what they have to sell them for to make money and stay in business and they money they are making isn't that spectacular. The alternative isn't cheaper books but no books, because they'll be out of business. The only alternative is for role-playing to become mainstream enough that they sell books measured in the hundreds of thousands of copies rather than thousands of copies.
 


Ysgarran said:
You have to deal with the price of college books for about 4 years.
I haven't bought "college books" for many years but I do still have to buy technical books that cost $50-$100 (Canadian). Gaming books don't look too expensive compared to that.
 

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