Boots of Striding and Springing: Whats the rules on it?

[Number47]

Another weak argument. "Magic" effects do stack.

That comes off very rude. I have said nothing to you up to this point. I will assume that you didn't check how your post would read.

Let me just address what you say, however. Yes, magic effects do stack. They do not stack when the spell or item says they don't. For instance, if a pair of boots only doubled normal movement. I argue that normal in this context means "not magical". You seem to argue that normal in this context means "not abnormal"? I know which argument makes more sense taken from a rules standpoint. Normal vs. magical is rules-oriented. Normal vs. abnormal has no rules bearing.

 

[Hypersmurf]

No, that's what was decided after the fact. This is Skip's opinion, that's all.

Okay, it's as offical as it gets, but, still, I don't think it's right. It's a bad ruling.

Perhaps... but it's a ruling

As is amply obvious, and as you've pointed out yourself, it's not clear from the rules what "normal" movement is. That has now been - partially, anyway - cleared up in the Official FAQ.

And judging by the four different threads on Boots, ER, or monk's speed in the last week, it certainly counts as a Frequently Asked Question...

-Hyp.

 

[Artoomis]

That comes off very rude. I have said nothing to you up to this point. I will assume that you didn't check how your post would read.

Let me just address what you say, however. Yes, magic effects do stack. They do not stack when the spell or item says they don't. For instance, if a pair of boots only doubled normal movement. I argue that normal in this context means "not magical". You seem to argue that normal in this context means "not abnormal"? I know which argument makes more sense taken from a rules standpoint. Normal vs. magical is rules-oriented. Normal vs. abnormal has no rules bearing.

Fair enough. Restated this way your argument has some merit. It doesn't sway me, but it is very logical, at least.

Not to be rude, but it was a very weak argument before, technically.

Per your statment above, these boots will not affect ANY magical movement, not matter the source. Thus, they would not add in a mutiplier to some other, unrelated movement-boosting affect, right?

Taken that way, they would not affect the magical (supernatural) portion of the monk's movement.
Sheesh - I hope they re-wrote this item for 3.5e.

 

[Artoomis]

Perhaps... but it's a ruling

As is amply obvious, and as you've pointed out yourself, it's not clear from the rules what "normal" movement is. That has now been - partially, anyway - cleared up in the Official FAQ.

And judging by the four different threads on Boots, ER, or monk's speed in the last week, it certainly counts as a Frequently Asked Question...

-Hyp.

Fair enough - I conceed the point. I never though of it as really needing clarification until this thread, though, and I'll bet the orginal writers felt the same way when they wrote it.

Until 3.5e comes out, the "offical" rule is that these boots do not affect the supernatural portion of the monk's speed.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Fair enough - I conceed the point. I never though of it as really needing clarification until this thread, though, and I'll bet the orginal writers felt the same way when they wrote it.

Oh, I guarantee they didn't think it needed clarification, or they would have clarified it

However... I'm not prepared to state whether they felt it was obvious that supernatural movement did or did not count as "normal" Whichever opinion they held, they probably thought it was obvious... but we'll have to ask Monte what he originally intended when he wrote the magic items chapter

Just as a thought... a druid, with Thousand Faces and Wildshape, coud look like all sorts of things. But his "normal" appearance... is what he looks like in an Antimagic Field.

A high-level monk runs really, really fast. But his "normal" speed, perhaps, is how fast he moves in an Antimagic Field...?

-Hyp.

 

[Artoomis]

Oh, I guarantee they didn't think it needed clarification, or they would have clarified it

However... I'm not prepared to state whether they felt it was obvious that supernatural movement did or did not count as "normal" Whichever opinion they held, they probably thought it was obvious... but we'll have to ask Monte what he originally intended when he wrote the magic items chapter

Just as a thought... a druid, with Thousand Faces and Wildshape, coud look like all sorts of things. But his "normal" appearance... is what he looks like in an Antimagic Field.

A high-level monk runs really, really fast. But his "normal" speed, perhaps, is how fast he moves in an Antimagic Field...?

-Hyp.

Interesting point about the druid - what happens if he wears the boots (never mind how - maybe a collar of striding and springing) while in, say, cheetah form?

 

[Hypersmurf]

Interesting point about the druid - what happens if he wears the boots (never mind how - maybe a collar of striding and springing) while in, say, cheetah form?

Aiee.

I confess, I'd expect a human polymorphed into a halfling to move 40' with Boots, and a human polymorphed into an ogre to move 80'.

So the AMF isn't the ultimate explanation for my viewpoint after all

-Hyp.

 

[Artoomis]

Aiee.

I confess, I'd expect a human polymorphed into a halfling to move 40' with Boots, and a human polymorphed into an ogre to move 80'.

So the AMF isn't the ultimate explanation for my viewpoint after all

-Hyp.

Amazing how we can take something that should be so simple and make it do difficult, isn't it?

 

[Drasmir]

Originally posted by Drasmir
"Normal movement" for a monk higher than 9th level does not include the supernatural movement. If that monk were in an antimagic field or a "rift in the weave" then that supernatural movement would not apply.

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Originally posted by Hypersmurf
Just as a thought... a druid, with Thousand Faces and Wildshape, coud look like all sorts of things. But his "normal" appearance... is what he looks like in an Antimagic Field.
A high-level monk runs really, really fast. But his "normal" speed, perhaps, is how fast he moves in an Antimagic Field...?

FINALLY!!! Someone agrees with what I was saying! I felt like I was taking CRAZY PILLS here people!

Thanks Hyp!

 

[Artoomis]

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FINALLY!!! Someone agrees with what I was saying! I felt like I was taking CRAZY PILLS here people!

Thanks Hyp!

Okay, so how fast does a human in the shape of a halfing move with boots of speed?

Their 20' movement rate is "supernatural" in that it is only reduced to 20' through magic.

Surely they do not move 60' with the boots. How about 50' - double the "normal" 30 and then subtract 10 for the reduction caused by the "supernatural" reduction?