BoVD Reviews

[Darkness]

I did a review of the Book of Vile Darkness and posted it to the newsgroup rec.games.frp.dnd. Here's the link.

It's, um, rather long.

Hey, that's very cool! (And I like the Grabowski quote in your sig, too; he said that on the WW boards shortly before Games of Divinity came out, no? )

Any chance that you could add your review to the EN World reviews database?

 

[Stephenls]

"does he really say lying cheating and theft are Evil acts instead of chaotic ones? if so, wouldn't almost every rogue hav to be evil?"

Cheating and theft are both evil acts because they betray trust and hurt others, albeit in a non-physical way. If you steal someone's horse, and they need that horse to help plow their fields, then you've done them real damage. Cheating is something of a "esser" evil act but it's still wrong in that you gain an unfair advantage over others. Sorta. That's actually a weaker part of the book, I thought.

"Hey, that's very cool! (And I like the Grabowski quote in your sig, too; he said that on the WW boards shortly before Games of Divinity came out, no? )"

Heh. Thanks. And actually it was on the Jade City chats, but otherwise yes.

"Any chance that you could add your review to the EN World reviews database?"

People keep saying I should do that. I guess I should learn how.

 

[Vivictus]

I will be working on a review for BoVD sometime during the week for rpg-radio.com. I was supposed to have it up for tomorrow's show, but I just won't have the time today to get it done.

 

[jgbrowning]

"does he really say lying cheating and theft are Evil acts instead of chaotic ones? if so, wouldn't almost every rogue hav to be evil?"

Cheating and theft are both evil acts because they betray trust and hurt others, albeit in a non-physical way. If you steal someone's horse, and they need that horse to help plow their fields, then you've done them real damage. Cheating is something of a "esser" evil act but it's still wrong in that you gain an unfair advantage over others. Sorta. That's actually a weaker part of the book, I thought.

Is this from the part about realative alignment concepts? the above, and thanks for the reply i appreciate it, seems to say that any rougue that steals eventually will become evil. hrm.. i'll have to take a look at the book when it comes my way.

thanks again!

joe b.

 

[Jeremy Ackerman-Yost]

... seems to say that any rougue that steals eventually will become evil. ...

I think that depends on what he does with the booty, and who he was acquiring it from. Robin Hood was a thieving rogue (well, a multiclassed one, anyway) and I wouldn't call him evil.

 

[jgbrowning]

I think that depends on what he does with the booty, and who he was acquiring it from. Robin Hood was a thieving rogue (well, a multiclassed one, anyway) and I wouldn't call him evil.

i wouldn't either really, but only if you dont look beyond what he was really doing. robbing from the rich and all, the sherrif of nottingham was not really robbing from the rich... it was robbing from the rich guy who just took all the money from the poor. And robin wouldn't be able to return all the money the ole sherrif had taken to those he had took it from and he would be using a lot of that money to finance himself and his merry band. defacto robbing the poor who he didnt give any money too..

its a convoluted moral question, and it begs the question as to wether or not the action, in and of itself, is evil or if the result of the action is evil. again a thorny conumdrum...

joe b.

 

[Crothian]

Wow. Sigil ripped this thing apart. I really didn't think it was bad at all. Interesting review to get another opinion about it, though.

 

[Crothian]

I think that depends on what he does with the booty, and who he was acquiring it from. Robin Hood was a thieving rogue (well, a multiclassed one, anyway) and I wouldn't call him evil.

Those are some pretty specific circumstances to make it not evil. Then end does not justify the means in this case. It's the fact he's robbing from an evil lord who is unfairly taxing the people that makes it okay.

 

[Jeremy Ackerman-Yost]

Those are some pretty specific circumstances to make it not evil. Then end does not justify the means in this case. It's the fact he's robbing from an evil lord who is unfairly taxing the people that makes it okay.

Oh I agree. He may be the only good-aligned thief I've ever come across. It also helps that he didn't start out a thief, and only became one to fight an injustice.

 

[Vocenoctum]

Oh I agree. He may be the only good-aligned thief I've ever come across. It also helps that he didn't start out a thief, and only became one to fight an injustice.

Just remember, Rogue's can be LG, while bards cannot