BoVD spell component price list & dragon hearts (merged)

Umbran said:
I don't have the book - are you sure that the price is for a whole heart from a mature dragon?

The entry's not specific, so if saying that it's just a little bit of cured heart the size of a Slim Jim makes the 15gp cost easier to believe, then there's no problems there.

IMHO, even a bit of heart-jerky is gonna set you back a few platinum. And souls? Priceless.

The cost seem to be based mainly upon the effect that the optional component has, and not so much the perceived (assumed?) rarity or preciousness of the component.
 
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That's a good point.

I like the flavor text in the BoVD, but I'm getting a lot more milage out of the system it introduces. I'm slowly trying to recreate a more non-evil friendly sacrafice or ritual table, the equivelent of good power components for spells, etc and so forth. If the cost of souls is far less than you're expecting for your games, call it a fragmentary shred of a soul so small that it only retains power because it is someone's immortal essence. Call it a sacred coconut for that matter - its going to have the same effect and remain relatively balanced for the effect. IT's only the flavor text that needs to be changed.
 

it's mentioned in the FRCS that a good slave might cost 50-70 gp. And that some people sell themselves into slavery to help their family. A nonreligious person might rather sell his soul for a little more, if he don't believe in afterlife.
 

Numion said:
it's mentioned in the FRCS that a good slave might cost 50-70 gp. And that some people sell themselves into slavery to help their family. A nonreligious person might rather sell his soul for a little more, if he don't believe in afterlife.

Is not believing in the afterlife an option in the standard FRCS? Gods walking the earth just eigth years ago... a single deity in chrage of souls, with his clerics probably often performing funeral services etc.

Rav
 

Felon said:
And souls? Priceless.
Nah, souls are cheap. Given the typical life of an average commoner, I think it'd be easy to get some of them to sell their souls for a little ease/comfort/power in this life.

But, I'm not an evil outsider, so I may be wrong. :)
 

Good point, Arwink. We shouldn't get too worked-up about this because it's all conceptual. But can I rant a bit anyway? ;)

You know, Monte had to be well aware of what he was pulling by assigning those bargain-basement costs to what most folks hold to be precious and rare. IMCO, this goes back to what was being discussed in thread about the "Speaker of Dreams" module, where guys like Monte seem to be going to great lengths to inbreed D&D until their spellpunk notion of "take the fantastic and make it mundane". Dragon hearts sell in D&D for the equivalent of the latest 98 Degrees CD. A human soul? The cost of, say, a DVD player.
 
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One of the things that fascinated me about reading Monte Cooks campaign at his site was that idea of making the fantasy elements of the world out of the rules, instead of making the rules fit some idea of fantasy. Not necessarily my thing (although I did try it), but it's something I keep in mind when I read through most things these days.

I'll admit my first reaction upon reading those prices was pretty negative. Then I went away and thought about it for a bit. Souls have been a trade commodity in DnD games for a while - I still remember references to larvae/worm things that were the embodyment of evil souls being sold to liches and demons throughout the multiverse in earlier editions. Hundreds and hundreds of the things were scooped up and sent wherever they were needed.

I didn't have a problem when the souls were being traded in larval form as part of some nameless, shapeless web of evil, but suddenly someone puts a market price of a few hundred gold and I'm shocked? Low-powered souls probably are a pretty common commodity in a world where demons and night hags can just go scoop a few larvae out of the pool. Whole dragon hearts should be a valuable thing, but as I mentioned before I have no problem with tiny scraps being worth a few gp.

Where I really made my peace with this was when I started thinking about access to the compononts. Just because someone's willing to sell you a soul for a few hundred gold, it doesn't mean you can suddenly travel down to the local market and pick one up. IMC, the people who deal in such things are hard to find, often hidden in strange extradimensional pockets where they can deal with beings from a hundred worlds. They have easy access to their wares - no-one asks where and the chances of finding out are slim. The big-bads of magic know where to go to find stuff, but the lessor casters dont.
In many cases the cost required to get to the trading post where a souls available is going to eclipse the cost of the soul itself.
 

Rav said:
Is not believing in the afterlife an option in the standard FRCS? Gods walking the earth just eigth years ago... a single deity in chrage of souls, with his clerics probably often performing funeral services etc.
I agree. Not believing in the afterlife in the FRCS is something like not believing in gravity IMO.
 

Rav said:


Is not believing in the afterlife an option in the standard FRCS? Gods walking the earth just eigth years ago... a single deity in chrage of souls, with his clerics probably often performing funeral services etc.

Rav

Maybe not, but that wasn't the point; point was the price of the slave.

And if indeed everyone believed in afterlife, if you knew you're gonna be shafted in the afterlife the selling of your soul might be not such a big deal.

I wouldn't be surprised if some people were atheists on Toril, though, considering what people down here believe ;) Like some people don't believe the landing on moon. Considering government efficiency, how did they keep it secret this far?
 

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