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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Patryn of Elvenshae" data-source="post: 1805991" data-attributes="member: 23094">I disagree, but then I'm biased and you're wrong, so.... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />I think you'd need to explain that comment a bit more before I understand what you're talking about.Moreover, the cinematic swings answer rather seems to rather neatly wrap up all the AoO and Cleave problems; an AoO no longer represents an extra swing that you wouldn't have otherwise made - it merely represents an improved ADR, because your opponent is no longer fighting back as effectively as they were.  Similarly, a Cleave is no longer an extra swing that you wouldn't have otherwise made - it is, instead, the ability to take advantage of the moment one of your current opponents *stops* fighting back, again, resulting in improved ADR.A helpless opponent - because of his worsened armor class - likewise improves your ADR, and sometimes dramatically!</blockquote>