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BSG - Who are the Final Five?

satori01 said:
It is a strange set of circumstances, and implies the Cylons have been around a long time. In the first part of the cliff hanger Laura was about to go into exposition regarding the temple.

The BSG writers of course had her cruelly interrupted but she did say that the temple was the home of 5 priests that worshiped he that was not named.

Maybe the original five (of the Temple of Five) are the Lords of Kobol. The Colonials worship them, but they were originally something like saints.

My current thinking is that the Cylonian god is a Loki like figure in the Colonial Pantheon. Still acknowledged as part of the pantheon but feared, and ignored.

In Part 2 this week, the Cylons made a reference to the five being their programmers. I strongly suspect the five may not have corporeal forms. I also suspect the five were once humans that transfered their consciousness into a device that keeps their minds alive. A proto resurrection ship as it were.

What if Cylons were the name for the worshipers of this hidden god?

It seems clear there are 12 Cylon models...and the Five are among those 12. It also seems established that they do not have multiple copies like the other 7. And I am pretty sure the Five are not One, Two, Three, Four, and Five, so their numerical designations are spread amongst the range of 12. We know "Caprica" is #6. Isn't "D'anna" #5? And I think one of the guys is #3. I think "Sharon" is #8...

Maybe the Five have taken on the roles established by the Lords of Kobol. That might explain their potential connection to Colonial religion. Remeber, Sharon seemed to know Colonial scripture better than the priestess when they were on Kobol.

It's all so interesting...I hope they don't @#$%^ the plot up with dumb theatrics.
 
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The key to the identity of the Final 5 Cylon still in the fleet is in D'Anna's reaction.

I have to with Dr Cottle.

He "Cured" Laura with Cylon tech
He "Saved" Hera by hiding her

And then there was the scene with him and D'Anna. I got the feeling it was not the first time they had talked.

The real question is "Are the Final Five the first five humanoid cylons or the last five?"
 


I don't believe that any humans currently alive in the Fleet are any of the final five.

Remember basic Cylon history. They were created roughly 50 years ago as sentient laborers, that rebelled fairly quickly, and fought with the Colonies for about 10 years, leaving Colonial space 40 years ago, still entirely metallic. The two infiltrators we know of in human society, Caprica-Six and Boomer, first appeared two years before the holocaust (presumably Boomer was able to get into the military with hacked background information), so we have no evidence the humanoid models even existed before then, and they clearly didn't exist, or anything like them, 40 years back. Nobody who was alive during the first Cylon war could be one of the five.

From RDM's commentaries, the 12 humanoid models are what happened when the Cylons tried to look at humans and copy them. Each model is supposed to be what they see as a basic archetype of humanity. Since the 7 (now 6) operational models of Cylon humanoids don't know about the other 5, presumably they were deactivated before the other 7 were operational (or were operational at the same time and had those memories purged by whoever acts above them, like the Cylon intelligence that created the humanoid models in the first place). I think that the "final five" were Cylons who were too altruistic or benevolent for the Cylon mentality, models which would have never approved of genocide or a war of revenge and were Boxed for it. With the Thirteenth Tribe's tendency towards prophecy, they could have built the Temple of Five as a monument to those who gave their life to try and prevent a war against their descendants.

Some cut lines from the Kobol arc were going to establish that Kobol was a paradise until one of the Lords of Kobol became jealous and wanted to be elevated above all other gods, causing strife and civil war and the eventual exodus. I always figured that this was a 13th Lord, who went off and later took the Cylons as his own children, thus showing how they are related (like the whole Temple of Five and Athena-Boomer's comments in Home, Part II imply) but how the Cylon god says he is the only true god.

Who did D'anna see that surprised her? Who knows, it doesn't have to be anybody that the audience would also recognize, just somebody she would.
 

wingsandsword said:
I don't believe that any humans currently alive in the Fleet are any of the final five.

Spoilers and rumors – and TV commercials for that matter – say one of the characters will be revealed to be a Cylon.

This means at least one of the characters previously believed to be a human will be revealed to be a Cylon…

Which means it has to be one of the humans alive in the fleet currently.

Because if any of the Final Five had died, then they should have been reborn like other Cylons, alerting the other Cylons as to the identity of the that member of the Five. As this has not happened, then it is logical to presume they are alive.

Further, a tertiary character like Ellen or the Priestess being revealed as a Cylon would have less impact than a secondary or primary character being revealed to be a Cylon.

While they may have some connection to be divine, they are unlikely to currently be gods or angels.

If they were boxed, then how could any of the characters be revealed to be one of the Final Five?

wingsandsword said:
Who did D'anna see that surprised her? Who knows, it doesn't have to be anybody that the audience would also recognize, just somebody she would.

Good point.
 



Joker said:
What's this D'eanna's reaction I keep hearing about? I must have missed it.

When she entered her vision, she saw five figures on a stage - the same one Baltar saw in his vision months ago - in white robes. She peaked under one of the hoods, to see the face of the person in the robe, and knew them, and said she was sorry. Then the vision ended.

She also saw the camera crew, but did not seem interested.
 



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