Buffy series finale (spoilers)

[AuroraGyps]

Here are my thoughts on the finale and the last season too: I really liked the finale, but I was in tears about Spike going up in flames because he's become my favorite character. I didn't have any problem with what Willow did to the Scythe (since it was basically a quickly put together plan... "here's the idea, find out if we can do it and let's go"). The fact that everyone, especially Xander, don't make a big deal out of Anya's death is ok because I think that during the whole season they've all been expecting that anyone could bite it at any time, so they've all kinda made their peace with that & each other... besides, they just broke Sunnydale so I'd think they're all a bit overwhemed and will really morn later. And I've never really thought that The First Evil could be destroyed, because I think of it almost like a sentient emotion... an incorporeall embodiment of evil that found people that it could turn to it's cause and use for it's own purposes. How do you kill evil?
The only question I have from the season is about the thing with Joyce. I think it was The First pretending to be her and just saying something to Dawn that would rattle her. Dawn's been worried about being a part of the group before and she's always seemed insecure to me. What I wonder is: What was it that showed up with Joyce? It had to be corporeal because it scratched Dawn's face and wrecked the place (although the latter could have been by magic, but The First never used magic right?). Was it something that The First got so as to put on a good show or was it something else trying to prevent The First from tampering with Dawn? Well, guess we'll never know.

 

[Enchantress]

I was actually gone the night it was on so I had to tape it. Thus, my being so late contributing to this thread. My thoughts: I was somewhat disapointed at the ep. It was a good one, but really not worthy of being the season finale, much less the series finale. I loved the big part that Spike had, and I even liked the idea that all girls in the world that could be slayers, now are slayers, and I really liked the heroic way that anya died. And I laughed my butt off when the scene about D&D came on. Kennedy was as annoying as ever, and I've been meaning to ask how the whole Faith/Wood thing started. One minute their strangers/comrades, the next their doing it like there's no tomorrow. (Although, In that particular ep. I guess there really might not have been a tomorrow.)
I also liked the scene where Spike and Angel were acting childishly possessive, especially Spike's drawing of Angel.
And if I don't stop writing I am going to take up this whole page. Sorry if I made you fall asleep.

 

[Negative Zero]

Angel: "i had a soul fist!"
LOL
that was just priceless. of course the DnD game was too cool. i think that Andrew is actually holding a PHB in that scene. there were several really good scenes in the finale, though i was still somewhat underwhelmed by it all. not really sure what i was expecting, but i know that i was expecting more.

here's my theory about Spike's death and his move to Angel. W&H want angel on thier side. so they give him their LA office, (inwhat looks like a seriously out of character move) and put him in charge. then they throw him a buffy bone and a trinket that "only he can use" (no reason to assume they know Spike has a soul) to go help her. now, assume Angel used the amulet; he's now extra dry toast.

what if, the amulet kills the vampire demon, but makes the human soul a slave to W&H? this would have put W&H back in control of the LA office, and put Angel securely in thier power. only now, Angel is still running the show, and now Spike is his bitch. ... whoops!

~NegZ

 

[Wayside]

what if, the amulet kills the vampire demon, but makes the human soul a slave to W&H? this would have put W&H back in control of the LA office, and put Angel securely in thier power. only now, Angel is still running the show, and now Spike is his bitch. ... whoops!

I *think* it was already mentioned in this thread that W&H were out to get Angel because a vamp with a soul was prophesied to aid the Slayer in averting the end of the world. That vamp would then recieve his humanity back as a reward. Turns out it was Spike, not Angel, but we'll be seeing him next season on Angel's show, now (in theory) a human, not a vamp. The only thing I don't get is, if Spike came back and was human again, why the hell would he be kickin it in LA with Angel, when he could be with Buffy? I can't imagine that after that ending, they shouldn't end up together.

 

[AuroraGyps]

Oh, I forgot something I thought of since the last episode. About Spike saying to Buffy that she doesn't love him (which, at the time, drove me nuts) that maybe he thinks she's actually in love with Xander! All during the season he kept saying such wonderful things about her (well, except for just after he lost his eye, but I think he was still in shock emotionally ) and she heard some of it. Those times she heard him, she'd get this look on her face that maybe Spike saw and realized what she herself doesn't know yet. I wouldn't be surprised if something (film or written) in the future has those two togther or gets them together. I mean, the season was about circles and things coming around again... who can't remember how big of a crush Xander had on Buffy in the beginning of the series?

 

[KidCthulhu]

I think the Xander thing is pretty much dead, and Joss has said so on numerous occasions. They are now just friends.

However, my future relationship bet is for Dawn and Xander. They share a lot in common, and clearly care deeply for eachother. Dawn's still a little young, but in a few years...

As for why all the potentials are young women, sheer marketing. No one will tune in to watch "Buffy, the saggy old lady who wears tight outfits". Unless they want to make a spin off for the Golden Girls demographic. Personally, I'd be really amused to see a Slayer/Soccer Mom. Talk about having to juggle your schedule.

 

[Vocenoctum]

I *think* it was already mentioned in this thread that W&H were out to get Angel because a vamp with a soul was prophesied to aid the Slayer in averting the end of the world. That vamp would then recieve his humanity back as a reward. Turns out it was Spike, not Angel, but we'll be seeing him next season on Angel's show, now (in theory) a human, not a vamp. The only thing I don't get is, if Spike came back and was human again, why the hell would he be kickin it in LA with Angel, when he could be with Buffy? I can't imagine that after that ending, they shouldn't end up together.

I had a link (now lost) to some board where they had an interview with Whedon. Bascially he said they wanted Spike on the show for his appeal, but haven't worked out exactly how he'll get there...

Said they haven't ruled out the Shansu (sp?) Prophecy, but that they don't know if they'll use that.

It's been said that in some ways, high level D&D's allowance of raise dead and ressurection make death a bit redundant. I think the Buffyverse has already passed that point, so does it really matter anymore?

Spike's moment is a character defining moment in that he didn't know he'd be back. (If indeed he is, nothing is ever for certain.) Though, to be fair, I don't know that he had a choice in staying or in using the power of the amulet.

There's also always the chance of time travel or something, flashbacks as well.
Perhaps Past Spike will arrive here, so he won't have any feelings for Buffy at all, or.. something, I dunno.

In the same interview, Whedon says he wanted to kill a character, so he chose Anya because Caulfield said she had no interest in playing the character again. Seems a bit of a cop out myself, but oh well.

Slayer's probably never survive long because they're silly enough to hunt vamp's at night. If they'd just follow them back to where they came from and whack them during the day, they'd probably last longer.

Lastly, the finale defiently could have done with being 2 hours and not feeling as rushed, but then as I mentioned, the season was so slow during it's "arc" stories that they had plenty of time to expound on the plot elements. If they had gone into the Urgrosh a bit through research, and not brought in the temple from nowhere or the old lady who watches the watchers but never saw Caleb...

Ah well.

 

[Angelsboi]

I would like to point out (forgive me if someone else did already as i didnt wade through Pages 2 and 3) ...

Spike is coming back as a human. For evidence i want to point out Angel 1.22 "To Shanshu in L.A."; the prophecy about a souled vampire who becomes human.

I also would like to point out that the three talking in the school about shopping and Giles saying the Earth is doomed, mirrored the end of The Harvest.

 

[KnowTheToe]

Spike is coming back as a human. For evidence i want to point out Angel 1.22 "To Shanshu in L.A."; the prophecy about a souled vampire who becomes human.

I am still hoping this is a false rumor. Please, please Please. I liked Spike, for the most part they did a great job with him, the last 2 seasons were not quite as good as in previous seasons, but by no means bad.


He was dusted, not sucked into a portal. A dusted vamp is a dead vamp and besides that, he has played his part and I can't picture him really fitting in. If you make him bad, been there done that. If you make him good, why hang with Angel, they never clicked. But, Joss can pull some good ones, who ever thought Wess would be such a kick ass character.

 

[Angelsboi]

unless WBs Site is a giant hoax, im sorry. He has been signed as a series regular now that Cordy is gone.