Bugbear + Executioner Axe

[Droogie128]

Actually, the true problem with kobolds is "shifty". Mearls said it would have to be addressed when/if the kobolds got the PC treatment.

The seeker gets shifty as a class feature. No reason kobolds shouldn't have it.

 

[DracoSuave]

They should add a note or something in the builder. I wasn't aware of the requirement that MM races shouldn't be allowed as PC races (especially when they are right in the builder as an option). If they were never intended for that I wonder why WoTC put them in as well as having the option to add large weapons. Not sure why there's the OMG it's broken.

The character builder, as good as it is, is not a substitute for the books themselves.

The character builder is also not a replacement for a DM's saying 'No, you can't, cause it's obvious cheese from the Monster Manual.'

It's in there because not all DMs are going to say 'No' and so having an option that is presented in one of the books is needed to make it complete; however, you should still have that book handy so you can read 'Oh yeah, by the way, do this at your own risk, DM'.

 

[Klaus]

They should add a note or something in the builder. I wasn't aware of the requirement that MM races shouldn't be allowed as PC races (especially when they are right in the builder as an option). If they were never intended for that I wonder why WoTC put them in as well as having the option to add large weapons. Not sure why there's the OMG it's broken.

You can disable some of the allowed books in the CB.

Go to Manage -> Campaign Settings and tick off Monster Manual and Monster Manual 2, and all of the monster races will go poof!

 

[MatthewJHanson]

The seeker gets shifty as a class feature. No reason kobolds shouldn't have it.

I think the reasoning is that it shifting as a minor is more powerful for some classes than others. Rogues especially benefit from the extra shift, and I think in general melee characters benefit more from the extra shift than ranged ones (like the seeker) do.

 

[WalterKovacs]

They should add a note or something in the builder. I wasn't aware of the requirement that MM races shouldn't be allowed as PC races (especially when they are right in the builder as an option). If they were never intended for that I wonder why WoTC put them in as well as having the option to add large weapons. Not sure why there's the OMG it's broken.

The monster manual predated brutal weapons, which is part of what makes it scary.

As for oversized weapons being in the character builder, there is now an epic destiny (eternal defender) that allows for oversized weapons. At epic, it's something they will allow, but not at 1st level.

 

[Drakhar]

Also the Goliath Racial Paragon path allows the use of large weapons

 

[Destil]

The seeker gets shifty as a class feature. No reason kobolds shouldn't have it.

It's one of their class features for one particular (the strikerish) build. By that logic we can give a race an arcane spellsource. There's a big difference between class and race features and abilities (you pay a lot more, in effect, to get something with your race).

 

[renau1g]

The CB has the ideal option of noting whether a build is legal or house ruled. Clearly, once a MM race has been chosen it should note your build is not legal anymore. That would solve all confusion.

I tried today and yeah a bugbear barbarian with 22 PB is a legal character, but I've heard not legal for RPGA play...


Also Draco - "The character builder, as good as it is, is not a substitute for the books themselves." As a player, I'm not required to own MM am I? For me that's the whole point of the builder so I don't need to go out and shell out a few hundred dollars on physical books.

 

[DracoSuave]

I tried today and yeah a bugbear barbarian with 22 PB is a legal character, but I've heard not legal for RPGA play...

That's because RPGA guidelines include only player resources. As you admit below, the MM is not a player resource.

The Character Builder is not a replacement for a primary source.

This link contains the Character Creation rules specific to RPGA.

Specifically from the PDF:

Content Never Accessible: There are a few bits of D&D game
material that are never considered accessible to players
(even if content from the resource is allowed), as it is too
difficult to evaluate the content’s use in RPGA campaigns.
This includes the following game content:
• Artifacts
• Content that specifies DM adjudication in order to be
used by a character

So, even if it shows up in a player's resource, if it says it needs to be DM Adjudicated, it's not allowed in RPGA.

The Monster Manual stuff is absent from the legal list, and on top of that, specifics DM adjudication. Hell NO Bugbears aren't allowed in RPGA.

Also Draco - "The character builder, as good as it is, is not a substitute for the books themselves." As a player, I'm not required to own MM am I? For me that's the whole point of the builder so I don't need to go out and shell out a few hundred dollars on physical books.

Paraphrased - "As a player, I'm not required to own a non-player resource. A tool that includes the capability to create stuff from non-player resources exists, so therefore I should consider those resources player resources because I want to save money.'

I'm just going to stop you right here.

You're making no sense.

You -do- need a copy of the Player's Handbook.

Sorry. You -do-.

And, if you owned -every player's resource the game has to offer-, that being, the PHB 1 and 2, all the Foo Powers books, All the player's guides, and a subscription to Dragon Magazine (which I assume you do have, seeing as you have the character builder) then, at no point, do you have access to the Bugbear as a player character. And even if you DID own the MM, which you don't, you'd then have to require DM adjudication to allow it in the game, because that's what it says in the primary source.

The character builder is a -tool-. It is NOT a replacement for any books. It is -convenient- and it is -helpful- but it is not a replacement for, nor do I have any idea how one could think it would be, a replacement for the Monster Manual.

However, because the rules -exist- for a bugbear in an official work, the rules exist in the Character Builder, as it is to be comprehensive. That does not mean it's open to every player in every game ever.