trancejeremy
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Because of paranoia of the author, thinking that WOTC is evil, they've decided to remove all the d20 stuff from the book, and make it completely generic.
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Bureau 13 d20 is no more...
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What's Bureau 13?
Unseelie
First Post
Bureau 13 = Stalking the Night Fantastic
Basically, it was an X-Files game published a number of years before X-Files ever aired (not to mention that it was before Chill, Dark Matter or Delta Green). Not bad for its day really. The system is a bit clunky, especially the combat system. A D20 treatment would have been a significant improvement.
Sadly, the author has a long history of coming up with great ideas before anyone else tries to publish them, only to see someone else make the concept popular... as Fringeworthy was basically Stargate SG1, but published many years before Stargate became a movie.
He's over-reacting, but after it happened a few times I can kind of understand why he'd be paranoid.
Basically, it was an X-Files game published a number of years before X-Files ever aired (not to mention that it was before Chill, Dark Matter or Delta Green). Not bad for its day really. The system is a bit clunky, especially the combat system. A D20 treatment would have been a significant improvement.
Sadly, the author has a long history of coming up with great ideas before anyone else tries to publish them, only to see someone else make the concept popular... as Fringeworthy was basically Stargate SG1, but published many years before Stargate became a movie.
He's over-reacting, but after it happened a few times I can kind of understand why he'd be paranoid.
That stinks.
I love Bureau 13. It would have worked as a D20 modern system so well.
It could work as its own system as well just one of a million now dyas though. I am sure it will get a smattering of interest from old schoolers who played it butthere weren't that many when it first came out. The orginal system was complex and realistic but a lot of work.
I would love to see any of Tr-tacs original games make it back to the public eye. Stalking, Fringworthy, FTL, Incursion (I think it was) were all fun games and had potential. I still plan on running a D20 modern/Spycraft game someday. just gotta convert a lot of stuff.
Oh and the novels rocked as well.
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I love Bureau 13. It would have worked as a D20 modern system so well.
It could work as its own system as well just one of a million now dyas though. I am sure it will get a smattering of interest from old schoolers who played it butthere weren't that many when it first came out. The orginal system was complex and realistic but a lot of work.
I would love to see any of Tr-tacs original games make it back to the public eye. Stalking, Fringworthy, FTL, Incursion (I think it was) were all fun games and had potential. I still plan on running a D20 modern/Spycraft game someday. just gotta convert a lot of stuff.
Oh and the novels rocked as well.
Later
Krieg
First Post
I remember Tri-Tac, old school baby, old school.
While the owner might be mad at Hollywood, what does that have to do with OGL?
As a off hand comment, that sounds sort of "old school" parinoia to me. In that a person can convicence themselves that in a time before the Internet and Homeland security, that somehow someone picked up his book (or read his mind) in Hollywood and made a movie out of it, which somehow means that he has to watch those theives in the gaming industry.
Which also reminds me of the older gamers when WotC came out with their setting contest. Most of them said, "Why should I give it away to WotC when I can keep it and make my millions off of it on a later day?" Hey guys, it's later!
Ironically, these are the days that Hollywood is scouring every corner for a new franchinse gold mine. If you can prove you have a fan base that will buy anything, someone in Tinseltown will option it just to make sure that no one else gets their theiving hands on it. NOW would be the time to get something out there, and to prove in print that you thought of those cool ideas first just means someone should be signing you up now. ... especially after Hollywood runs out of Phillip K. Dick short stories to rape.
While the owner might be mad at Hollywood, what does that have to do with OGL?
As a off hand comment, that sounds sort of "old school" parinoia to me. In that a person can convicence themselves that in a time before the Internet and Homeland security, that somehow someone picked up his book (or read his mind) in Hollywood and made a movie out of it, which somehow means that he has to watch those theives in the gaming industry.
Which also reminds me of the older gamers when WotC came out with their setting contest. Most of them said, "Why should I give it away to WotC when I can keep it and make my millions off of it on a later day?" Hey guys, it's later!
Ironically, these are the days that Hollywood is scouring every corner for a new franchinse gold mine. If you can prove you have a fan base that will buy anything, someone in Tinseltown will option it just to make sure that no one else gets their theiving hands on it. NOW would be the time to get something out there, and to prove in print that you thought of those cool ideas first just means someone should be signing you up now. ... especially after Hollywood runs out of Phillip K. Dick short stories to rape.
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Katerek
Iconic Gnoll
That's too bad.
Yeah, Tri-Tac was lightyears ahead of other companies. They were even being raided by the Secret Service before Steve Jackson made it cool IIRC!
I would love to see d20 versions of Fringeworthy and Bureau 13. I remember playing both of these games back in the early to mid 80's. Great stuff, great concepts.
Yeah, Tri-Tac was lightyears ahead of other companies. They were even being raided by the Secret Service before Steve Jackson made it cool IIRC!
I would love to see d20 versions of Fringeworthy and Bureau 13. I remember playing both of these games back in the early to mid 80's. Great stuff, great concepts.
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