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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Treebore" data-source="post: 3653786" data-attributes="member: 10177">I would say it is not limiting. In a way 3E is more limiting than C&C. This is because in C&C any character can attempt just about any kind of action covered by feats in 3E. You can't do that with the rules as written in any edition of D&D. 1E/2E didin't account for such things until the optional books of 2E, and 3E says you can only do the action if you have the feat.C&C says if you declare the action you can do it as long as the CK agrees its possible and has assigned the difficulty modifers. You succeed on the SIEGE check you perform the "feat" or action, or set up being able to perform the desired attack.For an example, when a player wants to do what is called a Cleave or Great Cleave in 3E they roll a SIEGE check, with the modifiers being the HD of the creature or creatures you want to hit.So if you take down a creature and you want to attempt a "Cleave attack" against the second creature standing near you you roll the SIEGE check. If you succeed you get to roll for another attack.Now say your a 8th level character and your fighting a horde of skeletons or Zombies. Good situation for a Great Cleave/Whirlwind kind of action. So you tell me you want to try and hit 4 zombies with your attack. I add up the HD of the 4 zombies to calculate your Target Number (DC in 3E terminology) and if you beat it, roll a successful hit, AND roll damage greater than their HP you sweep all of them into a pile of undead remains.So if in my game you had already earned the "Great Cleave feat" I wouldn't have you roll the SIEGE check for setting up the opportunity for the maneuver. You'll automatically set it up due to having the feat and just roll the to hit. If you had earned the "Cleave Feat" I would have subtracted one of the Zombie's HD from your TN for the SIEGE check.So C&C is much less limiting in that you can try anything you can imagine, as long as the CK agrees it is possible. You just have to roll for it. In 3E you get to do it if you have the feat, but can't do it if you don't have the feat.So that is what I mean by "limited" versus "unlimited" with regards to C&C and its SIEGE engine.</blockquote>

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