[C&C] Will there be a revised Player's book?

[Clint]

I thought that I had seen a mention of it somewhere, although I can't remember where. And if it's not called Revised, will future printings incorporate errata and have better editing?

The reason I ask is because I've had a craving to do some D&Dish gaming again, and I want to use something much simpler than 3.x. It seems that either C&C or Blue Rose would do me fine, but C&C might be closer to what I want right this second. However, I'm tired of buying poorly edited and laid-out RPG books, and this has been a common strike against C&C so far. If there's no C&C revision coming, I'll grab Blue Rose, which I know will be presented well.

Thanks,

-Clint

 

[Jonman99]

There will be a second printing to my knowledge and more to continue based on how well the PHB sells (It is doing fairly well now). To my knowledge, reprints will come out probably by GenCon(5 Months). The first printing isnt that bad. I have to admit that the design and editing is poor but the substance of the book greatly outweighed the design and such. In the new revision, they aren't adding many new rules whatsoever, just clearing up the typos, clearing up a few hot topics and noting a extra rules which are minor. Lots of the errata for the first printing can easily be found on the http://www.castlesandcrusades.com/candc.htm C&C is a great game, it will be even better with the 2nd printing though. If you want to wait go ahead but I'd reccomend that you buy it now.

I might as well purchase another copy for 2nd printing because I need one for my players too.

 

[Mythmere1]

There will be a second printing to my knowledge and more to continue based on how well the PHB sells (It is doing fairly well now). To my knowledge, reprints will come out probably by GenCon(5 Months). The first printing isnt that bad. I have to admit that the design and editing is poor but the substance of the book greatly outweighed the design and such. In the new revision, they aren't adding many new rules whatsoever, just clearing up the typos, clearing up a few hot topics and noting a extra rules which are minor. Lots of the errata for the first printing can easily be found on the http://www.castlesandcrusades.com/candc.htm C&C is a great game, it will be even better with the 2nd printing though. If you want to wait go ahead but I'd reccomend that you buy it now.

I might as well purchase another copy for 2nd printing because I need one for my players too.

The second printing will be out well before GenCon. Gencon, I think, is the target date for the CKG, at which time all the main books will be out.

I understand that it will contain the errata, although the rules errata are quite small. Most of the problems were with typos, etc. - I think the only rules omissions were which weapons were two-handed and the omission of a column about carrying capacity on an equipment table.

The PHB is close to being sold out, from what I can tell. There are probably still many copies in the distribution network, but supplies are running short in a lot of places. Stores have been buying directly from TLG, because several distributors are either out or failed to carry it in the first place, not knowing it would be a hit.

 

[Breakdaddy]

Yeah. I understand that their is probably going to be a reprint of the Players book sooner rather than later due to agressive sales of the book. If I understood Davis correctly in another thread, the M&T has priority right now and then they will be concentrating on a 2nd printing of the Players Handbook. To answer your question, their WILL be errata added and further editing done to the guide (from what I understand talking to the designers). I, too, am looking forward to a cleaned up version of the C&C PHB and will be purchasing it asap. I will probably use my original as a "table copy" to be passed around during games for reference (if ever needed, it's not usually necessary in our games).

 

[JoeGKushner]

There will be a second printing to my knowledge and more to continue based on how well the PHB sells (It is doing fairly well now). To my knowledge, reprints will come out probably by GenCon(5 Months). The first printing isnt that bad. I have to admit that the design and editing is poor but the substance of the book greatly outweighed the design and such.

Well, on a scale of 1 to 5, where would the design and editing be? I've never made a secret of me being a fan of well designed, good looking books. It's not like it's impossible to have both a good game and a good looking game no? Redhurst, Denizens of Avandu, many Green Ronin and Malhavoc products, Conan Atlantian edition (which took care of the editing issues mostly), etc...

 

[Mythmere1]

Well, on a scale of 1 to 5, where would the design and editing be? I've never made a secret of me being a fan of well designed, good looking books. It's not like it's impossible to have both a good game and a good looking game no? Redhurst, Denizens of Avandu, many Green Ronin and Malhavoc products, Conan Atlantian edition (which took care of the editing issues mostly), etc...

Joe, it's bad. This is my absolute favorite game - I've played all editions, and I've never been so excited about a new game. It absolutely rocks. The book is good looking, too. It's the grammar and typo problems in the text that cause a problem, and there are a lot of them. It's just editing and proofreading, but it's extensive. I don't know what happened - I own another TLG book, and it's well edited. TLG put serious money into the binding and the stitching: I don't know why so many errors crept - stormed, really - into the print run.

For obvious reasons, TLG is making a huge effort to make the next printing look like it was proofed by the editorial board of the Oxford English Dictionary.

But to answer your question, it's a good game and a good looking game. It's typos and run-on sentences that cause the problem. Don't do your review till the second printing.

 

[blizack]

Joe, I would respectfully say that the book's design is a bit similar to what you get from Palladium products. Nice artwork, but a layout that leaves a heck of a lot to be desired.

The editing or lack thereof has already been discussed enough - suffice it to say that there are a LOT of errors. I can't comment on game play, as I haven't tried it, but it was not a very pleasant reading experience for me.

 

[Akrasia]

Just to be clear, the editing problems are NOT as bad as the ones in the Conan RPG (1st printing). And a lot of the spelling mistakes, etc., are in sections of the rules that you are not likely to read more than once.

This is not to excuse the sloppiness. But people need to keep some perspective on the problem. Your eyes will not start to bleed if you read the book.

OTOH, the cover is beautiful, as is the internal art. It is a very well bound book (not likely to fall apart).

In my review at RPG.net, I gave the PHB a '4' for style. In retrospect, that was a bit generous. I would give the art and cover a '5', but the edting and layout a '2' (readable and generally clear, but marred by many problems), for an overall '3'.

Finally, keep in mind that the book is only $20. So sure it is flawed -- but for a very small amount of money (relative to other RPG hardbacks) you get a very cool game.

 

[Treebore]

Yeah, I've read through it several times now, my brain hasn't melted down or anything. In fact the more I read it the less I notice the errors, I can only guess my brain corrects it as I read along. Also, I never found anything even close to being as poorly explained as AoO was in the 3.0 PH, so if D20 could survive that I think most people can handle C&C.

 

[JoeGKushner]

Just to be clear, the editing problems are NOT as bad as the ones in the Conan RPG (1st printing). And a lot of the spelling mistakes, etc., are in sections of the rules that you are not likely to read more than once.

While I can appreciate the note that the 1st printing of Conan had more game effecting errors, Mongoose also did an awful lot to make up for it. You know, outside of having full color art and glossy paper with a pretty big price tag.