[CA] Practiced Spellcaster, Caster level x prereq, and PrC's

[Silveras]

I suspect that it is possible that the thought never entered their minds.

Have you ever written a gaming product? I have.

Congratulations. Did you have an editor ? Part of the editor's job is to ensure that you don't miss details like that. Races of Destiny lists 3 authors, 3 Developers, and 2 Editors. That's 8 people who would all have to make the same error to have missed this.

That is why I said it is *possible* that it is an error, but much less likely than the case where you just cannot take it twice.

Then, within 5 minutes of a products release, somebody comes up with a question that you never considered. And it goes from one question to dozens of questions, to maybe even hundreds of questions.

So yes, I think it is very conceivable that taking it twice was a thought not even on their radar at the time, especially since all other choice feats do allow you to take them multiple times. It's possible that they thought about it and figured that the normal feat rules handle it. Or, it's possible that they did not.

Every time there is an exception to the normal feat rules, they call it out. So if this is an exception to the normal "choice" feat rules (all of which have the multiple take special listed), they should have called it out precisely because rules lawyer DMs will rule the one way and "try to extrapolate from what you see presented there" DMs might rule another way. By being totally clear on something, it prevents ambiguity.

Uh.. the rule is "you can't take a feat twice unless it specifically says you can". That is pretty unambiguous. All feats that you can take more than once are required to explicitly state that you can as an exception to that general rule. Can you show me a rule that says "Some feats require you to make a selection; such feats may be taken more than once but must include a different choice each time", or something similar to that ?

It sounds like you are defending a "rule" that exists only in your head; something you have extrapolated from a pattern.

 

[KarinsDad]

It sounds like you are defending a "rule" that exists only in your head; something you have extrapolated from a pattern.

Actually, I am not defending anything.

I am merely stating that a given feat pattern exists and this is the only place (tmk) where a feat of that type does not follow the pattern.

That means that either they missed it, or it is an exception to that pattern.

Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[The Gryphon]

Actually, I am not defending anything.

I am merely stating that a given feat pattern exists and this is the only place (tmk) where a feat of that type does not follow the pattern.

That means that either they missed it, or it is an exception to that pattern.

Nothing more, nothing less.

The Precocious Apprentice feat doesn't follow the specific pattern you mention, as it doesn't allow you to choose where to direct all of the benefits. It gives a bonus spell slot at a set level (no choice, unlike the feat it copies which CAN be taken multiple times) which allows you to cast a spell you choose (a choice which by my reading of the feat is later lost) and a bonus to spellcraft (no choice).

What this feat does do is copy the format and power of regional feats from the Forgotten Realms books. In those rules this type of feat can only be taken at 1st level (which it specifically states), can only be taken a single time (which it specifically states by default, by not saying it can be chosen multiple times), and only one of this type of feat can be selected at 1st level.

This last condition was instituted as these feats are usually more powerful that their counterparts (as this feat is), and so that humans or others with a freely usable bonus feat at 1st level cannot gain an undue advantage.