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Can a DM expose a vampire character to sunlight with combat actions?
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<blockquote data-quote="P1NBACK" data-source="post: 5565068" data-attributes="member: 83768"><p>Really? I'm telling you <em>right now </em>I'm doing this. So, what data is this thesis you are writing actually based on? </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is not necessarily true. In many cases, a "normal" attack is more effective than attacking gear. Why attack gear when I can attack the monster, kill it, and then <em>just take </em>it's gear? </p><p></p><p>As said earlier, even attacking the vampire's cloak isn't necessarily the most optimal tactic. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What other reasons? </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sounds like shoddy DMing to me. If you disallow viable PC tactics because you don't want to "calculate" the monster's new attack bonus without his axe, then that's not really <em>my problem</em>, is it? </p><p></p><p>Me, I'll just have to use DMG page 42 and figure out what kind of attack the monster does <em>without </em>his axe. That'll take about 15 seconds to look up and memorize (and less if I have DMG page 42 readily available, which any DM worth his salt should). </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>"Hey guys, remember when we dragged that vampire out into the sun and it burst into flames?" </p><p></p><p>"Yeah, that was pretty awesome and downright effective." </p><p></p><p>"Hmmm. Let's do that to <em>all vampires</em> if we can!" </p><p></p><p>Sounds about right to me. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>We didn't. WotC did. And, the player chose to use that mechanic when they chose to play <em>a vampire</em>. It's listed right there on the character class. </p><p></p><p>You're acting like DMs are <em>making this crap up</em>. No. We're not. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You're suggesting coming up with a custom encounter. We're suggesting using a custom action in accordance with already established custom actions (like Grab, Bull Rush, etc.). </p><p></p><p>I'll take the custom action over custom encounter any day of the week. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>As I said, WotC introduced the new rule, and if you're really concerned, you might want to give the PC a disclaimer:</p><p></p><p>"Hey dude, you do realize this class is vulnerable to sunlight, right? Ok... Just checking. Don't be mad when I pull your cloak off one day." </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't think anyone is overdoing it, man. Well, maybe building an entire encounter to combat ONE PC is overdoing it... </p><p></p><p>Heh.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="P1NBACK, post: 5565068, member: 83768"] Really? I'm telling you [I]right now [/I]I'm doing this. So, what data is this thesis you are writing actually based on? This is not necessarily true. In many cases, a "normal" attack is more effective than attacking gear. Why attack gear when I can attack the monster, kill it, and then [I]just take [/I]it's gear? As said earlier, even attacking the vampire's cloak isn't necessarily the most optimal tactic. What other reasons? Sounds like shoddy DMing to me. If you disallow viable PC tactics because you don't want to "calculate" the monster's new attack bonus without his axe, then that's not really [I]my problem[/I], is it? Me, I'll just have to use DMG page 42 and figure out what kind of attack the monster does [I]without [/I]his axe. That'll take about 15 seconds to look up and memorize (and less if I have DMG page 42 readily available, which any DM worth his salt should). "Hey guys, remember when we dragged that vampire out into the sun and it burst into flames?" "Yeah, that was pretty awesome and downright effective." "Hmmm. Let's do that to [I]all vampires[/I] if we can!" Sounds about right to me. We didn't. WotC did. And, the player chose to use that mechanic when they chose to play [I]a vampire[/I]. It's listed right there on the character class. You're acting like DMs are [I]making this crap up[/I]. No. We're not. You're suggesting coming up with a custom encounter. We're suggesting using a custom action in accordance with already established custom actions (like Grab, Bull Rush, etc.). I'll take the custom action over custom encounter any day of the week. As I said, WotC introduced the new rule, and if you're really concerned, you might want to give the PC a disclaimer: "Hey dude, you do realize this class is vulnerable to sunlight, right? Ok... Just checking. Don't be mad when I pull your cloak off one day." I don't think anyone is overdoing it, man. Well, maybe building an entire encounter to combat ONE PC is overdoing it... Heh. [/QUOTE]
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