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Can a hasted bladesinger cast a cantrip with the haste extra action
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<blockquote data-quote="ph0rk" data-source="post: 8283255" data-attributes="member: 16266"><p>Sure, but it is quite strong with the SCAG cantrips for a bladesinger. Especially at 14:</p><p></p><p>(1d8+10)*3 + (2d8)*2 + SCAGtrip riders * .65</p><p></p><p>~33.475 DPR (not including riders) with 65% accuracy at 14, plus an offhand attack option. (~1d6+10; 3 of the previous d8s must be d6s for this to work).</p><p></p><p>Compare with level 3 upcast Shadowblade which is also quite strong (and can also be paired with a shortsword):</p><p></p><p>(3d8+10)*2 + 2d8. *.65</p><p></p><p>~36.4</p><p></p><p>Or, Bow + firebolt + firebolt:</p><p></p><p>1d8+5 + 3d10 + 3d10 = 42.5 *.65 = 27.625</p><p></p><p>It isn't necessarily over the top damage, but it's pretty strong relative to what fighters can do without SS or GWM but also haste, and keeps a bladesinger around what a warlock can do.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, in that case the BS/warlock needs dex, int, con, and cha, and there are too many attribute points floating around most likely - unless it is an intlock. BS6/intlock2 would be pretty messed up with this - haste is effectively a quickened cantrip every round - only they have a bonus action free so could do that too if they had the sorcery points somehow. And the swing could be a bow shot, so</p><p></p><p>1d8+5 + (3d10+15)*3. *.65 for 67.6 DPR. Ouch.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ph0rk, post: 8283255, member: 16266"] Sure, but it is quite strong with the SCAG cantrips for a bladesinger. Especially at 14: (1d8+10)*3 + (2d8)*2 + SCAGtrip riders * .65 ~33.475 DPR (not including riders) with 65% accuracy at 14, plus an offhand attack option. (~1d6+10; 3 of the previous d8s must be d6s for this to work). Compare with level 3 upcast Shadowblade which is also quite strong (and can also be paired with a shortsword): (3d8+10)*2 + 2d8. *.65 ~36.4 Or, Bow + firebolt + firebolt: 1d8+5 + 3d10 + 3d10 = 42.5 *.65 = 27.625 It isn't necessarily over the top damage, but it's pretty strong relative to what fighters can do without SS or GWM but also haste, and keeps a bladesinger around what a warlock can do. Well, in that case the BS/warlock needs dex, int, con, and cha, and there are too many attribute points floating around most likely - unless it is an intlock. BS6/intlock2 would be pretty messed up with this - haste is effectively a quickened cantrip every round - only they have a bonus action free so could do that too if they had the sorcery points somehow. And the swing could be a bow shot, so 1d8+5 + (3d10+15)*3. *.65 for 67.6 DPR. Ouch. [/QUOTE]
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