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Can a hasted bladesinger cast a cantrip with the haste extra action
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<blockquote data-quote="ArcZero" data-source="post: 8298340" data-attributes="member: 7031083"><p>Great conversation here. I think that a subclass is a much more specific ability than spells and general combat rules. Repelling Blast modifies Eldritch Blast, not the other way around. So clearly spells are not the final chain of specific rules. And a bladesinger's ability is the definition of specific, as only that character has it, while any character could potentially use haste or extra attack.</p><p></p><p>Second, this isn't MTG, this isn't Cloudshift. The first part of an ability and second part are not dependant upon each other unless specified. The moreover wording is dubious, but just look at the rules for shoving and grappling. Whenever you attack, you can replace one of your attacks if you have multiple. Those descriptions do not assume you have multiple attacks as they are general rules. BS extra attack on the other hand explicitly knows that you have two attacks, thus the "one of those attacks" wording. </p><p></p><p>Cearly the cantrip replacement works if you have action surge. And if you were level 11 fighter, 6 BS, it would be silly to say that because you now have three attacks, you can't replace with a cantrip. It is most likely that haste refers to a restriction of single attack, not some kind of non-attack action attack action. Anything that checks for you using an attack action works on the haste action, other than multiple attacks.</p><p></p><p>Also, there are a few examples of abilities that preclude using your class features. Wild shape is very explicit about what it does and does not allow. Polymorph is very explicit about what you can't do or utilize. They both specifically mention access to class features and are paragraph long abilities. BS extra attack and haste are short and don't mention class features.</p><p></p><p>This is definitely up to the DM but all the cards lean towards the BS being able to do it. Also, a fighter or EK can use 2-hand weapons and gwm. That's serious damage compared to a rapier, whip, etc. I think it makes tons of sense that BS are really good with cantrips but only get one extra attack.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ArcZero, post: 8298340, member: 7031083"] Great conversation here. I think that a subclass is a much more specific ability than spells and general combat rules. Repelling Blast modifies Eldritch Blast, not the other way around. So clearly spells are not the final chain of specific rules. And a bladesinger's ability is the definition of specific, as only that character has it, while any character could potentially use haste or extra attack. Second, this isn't MTG, this isn't Cloudshift. The first part of an ability and second part are not dependant upon each other unless specified. The moreover wording is dubious, but just look at the rules for shoving and grappling. Whenever you attack, you can replace one of your attacks if you have multiple. Those descriptions do not assume you have multiple attacks as they are general rules. BS extra attack on the other hand explicitly knows that you have two attacks, thus the "one of those attacks" wording. Cearly the cantrip replacement works if you have action surge. And if you were level 11 fighter, 6 BS, it would be silly to say that because you now have three attacks, you can't replace with a cantrip. It is most likely that haste refers to a restriction of single attack, not some kind of non-attack action attack action. Anything that checks for you using an attack action works on the haste action, other than multiple attacks. Also, there are a few examples of abilities that preclude using your class features. Wild shape is very explicit about what it does and does not allow. Polymorph is very explicit about what you can't do or utilize. They both specifically mention access to class features and are paragraph long abilities. BS extra attack and haste are short and don't mention class features. This is definitely up to the DM but all the cards lean towards the BS being able to do it. Also, a fighter or EK can use 2-hand weapons and gwm. That's serious damage compared to a rapier, whip, etc. I think it makes tons of sense that BS are really good with cantrips but only get one extra attack. [/QUOTE]
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