Can a monk take improved natural attack for his unarmed attack?

[Scharlata]

An unarmed strike is not a natural weapon.
There are some lines in the current FAQ addressing this:
[...]
Which is perfectly reasonable, since unarmed strikes aren't natural weapons.

A chain of arguments that is solid. I'm in.

So a good (exalted) monk cannot use Intuitive Attack with her unarmed strike but a good (exalted) druid in wildshape could use Intuitive Attack with her (animal's form) natural attack....!?

Kind regards

 

[Hypersmurf]

So a good (exalted) monk cannot use Intuitive Attack with her unarmed strike but a good (exalted) druid in wildshape could use Intuitive Attack with her (animal's form) natural attack....!?

I don't have BoED, sorry.

-Hyp.

 

[Sejs]

Intuitive Attack is useable with "a simple weapon of your size or a natural weapon", and an unarmed strike is listed as a simple weapon.

So yeah, an exalted monk could use intuitive attack with his monking.

 

[Egres]

Well, the feat has a prerequisite of one or more natural weapon.

A human monk doesn't have any.

His unarmed strike is considered a natural weapon for the purpose of certain spells and effects, but it isn't actually a natural weapon.

Oddly, if a minotaur monk, for example (who has the prerequisite) took the feat, the 'considered a natural weapon' clause would probably let him apply it to his unarmed strike.

But the human monk doesn't qualify for the feat, so he can't exploit the same weirdness.

-Hyp.

Look at this reply on the Wizards board:

Thorak:And even allowing for feats to be considered 'effects' in no way makes the prerequisites to taking them an effect.


SenseiGith:Where did that come from? Prerequisites are not effects. Feats are. Prerequisites are part of feats.

Warning:i ABSOLUTELY agree with Hypersmurf.

I posted this quote only to see how Hyp replies to it.

 

[Darklone]

Hmm.... Vampire druid wildshaping into some pounce-able beast.... 10 negative levels?

 

[Scharlata]

Intuitive Attack is useable with "a simple weapon of your size or a natural weapon", and an unarmed strike is listed as a simple weapon.

So yeah, an exalted monk could use intuitive attack with his monking.

Ahhhh!
I did it the other way around.
Kind regards
P.S.: "My brain is like a sieve", by Thomas Dolby

 

[Bryin]

Well, the feat has a prerequisite of one or more natural weapon.

A human monk doesn't have any.

His unarmed strike is considered a natural weapon for the purpose of certain spells and effects, but it isn't actually a natural weapon.

Oddly, if a minotaur monk, for example (who has the prerequisite) took the feat, the 'considered a natural weapon' clause would probably let him apply it to his unarmed strike.

But the human monk doesn't qualify for the feat, so he can't exploit the same weirdness.

a body part isnt a natural weapon?

 

[Darklone]

a body part isnt a natural weapon?

Not if you use it for an unarmed strike.

Or... would you bash in a door with an axe? Yes? But with your head?

 

[Egres]

a body part isnt a natural weapon?

No.

From the 3.5 FAQ:

A natural weapon
(any natural weapon) is neither an unarmed strike nor a special
monk weapon

 

[jarlaxlecq]

a body part isnt a natural weapon?

A human monk has a natural weapon like every human.....it does ad3 subdual damage. You can improve that all you want. Improved unarmed stike is differant and as such doesnt stack.