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Can A Spell Caster Out Damage a Martial Consistently?
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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9588332" data-attributes="member: 7030563"><p>If you are talking about the damage dealt (i.e. not overkill or damage after all the enemies are dead) it is going to be difficult or impossible to actually do this mathematically because there are too many variables. You would need to develop a ruleset based on assumptions - number of rounds of combat, chance of losing concentration, how many foes, how many hit points each foe has....</p><p></p><p>Depending on these assumptions CME will either be terrible compared to other options or awesome compared to other options. This makes it highly situational.</p><p></p><p>What I can say definitively in terms of actual play through the course of the game that the 18th level Wizard we have in our party, who also has CME, is NOT the highest damage dealer in the party in terms of the amount of damage taken by the enemy and has not been the best at any level so far (we did not play level 1 and have not played 19 or 20). At present (level 18), the Wizard is 4 out of 5 among all characters and 2 out of 3 when it comes to single class characters. He is behind the Fighter, the Valor Bard/Paladin/Warlock and the Arcane Trickster/Fey Warlock/Bard/Paladin. He is ahead of the Cleric. He is not even close to the top three (and TBH the Bard and Rogue are not close to the Fighter).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>if you reread what you quoted from me up there you will note I said that <em>"The highest damage <u>casters</u> are Paladins ...." </em> <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>In play, looking at all 20 levels, I think the Paladin would be the highest damage dealing caster at more levels than any other single class caster. I am pretty confident they will deliver the most damage in play of the caster classes (Ranger, Bard, Warlock, Wizard, Cleric, Druid, Sorcerer, Paladin) at the largest number of levels from 1-20.</p><p></p><p>I am not as confident they would be better than the top non-caster for the largest number of levels.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 9588332, member: 7030563"] If you are talking about the damage dealt (i.e. not overkill or damage after all the enemies are dead) it is going to be difficult or impossible to actually do this mathematically because there are too many variables. You would need to develop a ruleset based on assumptions - number of rounds of combat, chance of losing concentration, how many foes, how many hit points each foe has.... Depending on these assumptions CME will either be terrible compared to other options or awesome compared to other options. This makes it highly situational. What I can say definitively in terms of actual play through the course of the game that the 18th level Wizard we have in our party, who also has CME, is NOT the highest damage dealer in the party in terms of the amount of damage taken by the enemy and has not been the best at any level so far (we did not play level 1 and have not played 19 or 20). At present (level 18), the Wizard is 4 out of 5 among all characters and 2 out of 3 when it comes to single class characters. He is behind the Fighter, the Valor Bard/Paladin/Warlock and the Arcane Trickster/Fey Warlock/Bard/Paladin. He is ahead of the Cleric. He is not even close to the top three (and TBH the Bard and Rogue are not close to the Fighter). if you reread what you quoted from me up there you will note I said that [I]"The highest damage [U]casters[/U] are Paladins ...." [/I] ;) In play, looking at all 20 levels, I think the Paladin would be the highest damage dealing caster at more levels than any other single class caster. I am pretty confident they will deliver the most damage in play of the caster classes (Ranger, Bard, Warlock, Wizard, Cleric, Druid, Sorcerer, Paladin) at the largest number of levels from 1-20. I am not as confident they would be better than the top non-caster for the largest number of levels. [/QUOTE]
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