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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9658528" data-attributes="member: 7030563">A Champion Fighter was by far the highest damage 20th level PC I have seen played to date and it is not even close.The problem with crunching the numbers is they don't account for magic items or other variables you see in play.  You also can't account for weapon masteries or feats unless you bring a bunch of other variables and assumptions  into it.Yes, the rest of the PCs at the table got the biggest windfall and the Champion fighter still blew the doors off of us in terms of damage, and like I said it was not even close, even on 1-fight days.You also are not considering saving throws which take away actions (stunned, incapacitated, paralyzed, banished ....). Casters fail these regularly and high level fighters never fail saves that matter, especially  if you only fight one fight a day.You say it is "almost guaranteed" yet I have seen it NOT happen a whole lot using the 2024 rules, in fact most of the time I would say it is the other wayIndividual fights vary, but the only 2024 caster I have seen generally keep up with martials in the party to date is a Druid who has a wand of Fireballs and flys around as an owl with Conjure Woodland Beings up.  He has done that from level 7 through 15 (current level) and he along with the Monk are the highest damage dealers in the party.  I have not pulledout a calculator to see which one of them is highest, but they are comparable and well ahead of the Paladin, Ranger and Cleric in the party.  The Ranger and arguably Monk have been the best controllers in play though (Monk depending on how you define control).We are currently level 15 and the Druid has been one of the top two guys since level 7.   I will add though that he is aided by the Monk who puts up darkness for the Druid-Owl to go into and avoid getting attacks  after  he does his dash-flyby thing.  That would last a lot less time if not for that.A high-level caster can't use 2/3 of their slots in combat except in an extremely abnormal situation.  A 20th level Wizard has 25 spell slots, casts one 1st and 2nd level spell at will and can get back another 10 levels worth through Arcane recovery.At this level your average fight is 2-3 rounds so if they burn a slot every single turn it is going to take 7 fights to get through 2/3 of their slots</blockquote>

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