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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9658713" data-attributes="member: 6790260">My point was that a non-spellcaster healer very nearly doesn't exist in 5e. You have the Healer feat and....that's pretty much literally it. It's not a matter of "bringing up the Warlord"--it's simply a matter of saying: If the party has a healer, that healer is a spellcaster, and thus spellcasters arguing the party should wait so they can take a long rest have MUCH more than just "the Wizard can cast more spells' as an argument, which is what was asserted above. Instead, spellcasters also have "your character has a lot less chance to die because we'll be able to heal", which is inherently more persuasive simply because it's about avoiding a very real and present danger, not about a nebulous notion of group benefit.Edit:And to those claiming hit dice are enough, I have seen FAR more than enough combats to know that that is simply, utterly false. Martial-heavy parties with minimal healing resources beyond hit dice NEED either a crapload of potions, which means they're blowing permanent resources solely on healing, or they just straight-up face death on the regular. Not "death saves", DEATH.So yeah. Sorry. You can white room this all you want. Hit dice are not enough. They doubly so weren't enough in 5.0, when you only got back half of your hit dice on a long rest. Unless the martial characters were double long resting ANYWAY in 5.0, you 100% would run out of healing resources (that weren't burning permanent resources) very quickly, and damage simply outstripped that healing. Consistently.</blockquote>

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