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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9663557" data-attributes="member: 7030563">Again please read what I posted.THE RULES limited rings of resistance to three (thee attunements) in the 2014 rules.In the 2024 rules the DM in one of the game houseruled 2 rings maximum because the rules changed. This was at 20th level.  According to the DMG a party should get about 100 magic items by 20th level, including 23 rare items, 19 very rare and 11 Legendary.  We had more Rare items than this but less very rare and only 1 Legendary I think.So I don't know if the amount of magic we had was typical for a 20th level party, it was a bit high in my experience, but it was below the guidelines in the DMG.Regarding the bell curve, I agree those groups play very fast and that is not in the center of the curve.I likewise would offer that very few people play to 20th level at all so the average level my PC is at is probably well off the center of the curve too.  However I don't think my experiences at 20th level are outside the normal for other groups playing from level 1-20.  I think I am right in the middle of people playing at high level..Regarding how we play though, I don't know what you are graphing, but when you say things like I play games like they are one shots or that I play like they are MMOs you are flat wrong.  I play fast and I play at high level and if you stick to that in your commentary about my play I would not have a problem.So maybe that is not typical, but it is within the limits described by the DMG.I do play in slower games as well.  I use less examples from them becuase I have less examples.  Those games move slower and do not cover as much ground and therefore provide less information to pull from.  I can tell you what a Fey Wanderer Ranger plays like from level 1 to 20 because I have played several at all of those levels.  I can tell you what I have seen in terms of the highest damage characters in 2024 because I have played multiple games from 1 to high level using the 2024 rules.  The slower games I play offer insights, but over far fewer campaigns, far fewer levels and with less diversity in terms of character builds.  I do consider these slower games, but there is less information there.  The information that is there is not much different though.Also, unless a group is playing fast they have no data at all to draw conclusions on 1-20 play using the 2024 rules.  If your game is a game where it takes 3 years to do 20 levels then you are about level 4 right now in a 2024 campaign that started in September.  In this respect I think my speed is not very abnormal for groups that have actually played 1-20 using 2024 rules, maybe a little fast but groups that are not playing close to that fast don't have any experience yet covering all levels in the new rules.I don't.  I have played Neverwinter with my son who does (or did) enjoy it and I didn't.How many games have you played with the 2024 rules?  It took a bit for use to figure it out and before that they were not nearly as powerful.How does it go at your table when you buy potions of healing?  At most tables I play on it is like:  "You can get any adventuring gear at this store, you remove the gold and add the gear".   The DM does not hound over you to see what you buy.  Occasionally they role play it, that is uncommon though.  If asked, commonly they also say "you can buy poitions of healing" or less commonly "you can't by potions of healing" when asked.I can honestly say I have never heard a DM qualify it as "you can buy potions of healing, but only 5 of them for the party"Have you ever had a DM say this in play?</blockquote>

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