Can an undead have Negative Turn Resistance?

[Joker]

I.e. is it possible for an undead to be treated as lower than his actual level for turning when using an item such as rod of defiance?

 

[Caliban]

I.e. is it possible for an undead to be treated as lower than his actual level for turning when using an item such as rod of defiance?

I'm not aware of any undead that have such a vulnerablity, although there are spells (such as Consecrate) that give you a bonus on turning checks.

Theoretically, you could use a Bestow Curse spell to give a penalty like that, and of course the DM can make certain undead more vulnerable to being turned if it suits the storyline.

 

[Joker]

There is the Rod of Defiance from Libris Mortis: All undead in a 30ft radius of the wielder are treated as if they have -4 turn resistance.

 

[jeffh]

I.e. is it possible for an undead to be treated as lower than his actual level for turning when using an item such as rod of defiance?

I don't see any reason why not.

 

[Ogrork the Mighty]

Off topic, but I noticed that having undead with turn resistance wasn't such a good idea for evil clerics fighting against good parties as that turn resistance applies equally to rebuke and bolster attempts.

 

[Stalker0]

A lot of the new monsters in MMIV have a weakness....I'm sure this could be easily applied to the concept. An undead may be exceptional strong, but very vulnerable to turning.

 

[frankthedm]

I think the Templated Skeletons and Zombies would be much more fair for thier CRs if they had a small bit of turning vulnerability. They normally have such high HD that attempting to turn them is hopeless even once they are shlubs. I think Negative Turn Resistance = [CR-2] [minimum 0] would work for skeletons and for zombies having Negative Turn Resistance = [CR-1] would not weaken them too much while at least letting turning have a chance against higher HD mook zombies.

Skeleton
1/2HD = CR1/6
1 HD = CR 1/3
2–3 HD = CR 1
4–5 HD = CR 2
6–7 HD = CR 3
8–9 HD = CR 4
10–11 HD = CR 5
12–14 HD = CR 6
15–17 HD = CR 7
18–20 HD = CR 8

Zombie
1/2 HD = CR 1/8
1 HD = CR 1/4
2 HD = CR 1/2
4 HD = CR 1
6 HD = CR 2
8–10 HD = CR 3
12–14 HD = CR 4
15–16 HD = CR 5
18–20 HD = CR 6