Can someone fill me in on the history of the late TSR/early WotC/3e period?

John:

Hi!

I'll see if I can answer as best I can, having lived through most of it from the outside looking in. All of the below info I have gleaned through multiple message board discussions, with comments from Ryan Dancey, Sean Reynolds, Monte Cook, Keith Strohm, and many others who were "in the trenches" at the time.

First of all, Ryan Dancey's excellent article tells a good part of the story. It affected me so much with its candor and openness that I have it saved on my hard drive. :)

From the mid 1980's until 1997, TSR was controlled by CEO Lorraine Williams and a small board of directors. Many disparaged their management tactics, because from the outside, it looks as though they (a) had no desire to run an RPG company, (b) were very sensitive to many minor fundamentalist groups, and made changes in an effort to please said groups while displeasing most gamers, (c) had little concern or respect for their consumers' opinion, and (d) ignored the general trending of the Gaming Market totally.

When WotC took over TSR in 1997, they were exceedingly flush with cash from Magic the Gathering, and were just prior to the Pokemon Craze of the late 1990's. Things were not only good, they were INSANELY good for WotC. It's why they had somewhere between 500 and 1000 employees from 1999 to 2001.

They were faced with the challenge of taking a company with almost NO valuable assets, an unpaid staff, tons of bills, and a potential goldmine of I.P. that had lost a lot of market share
the past 6 years.

They announced 3E at Gencon 1999. I was in the audience at the time, and the enthusiasm was nothing less than deafening. (At the time, there was even hope that Gary would be able to do some work for WotC - however, it turned out to go not further than the Editorials in Dragon Magazine.)

WotC released several 2E products, including Chris Pramas' Guide to Hell, the module Paladin in Hell, The "Return to" series (Tomb of Horrors, Against the Giants, Slavers), the Rod of Seven Parts Megaadventure by Skip Williams, the Aforementioned Die Vecna, Die! and Apocalypse Stone, and several modules through the RPG, as well as some Greyhawk reference material for 2E - two darned good books.

Hope this helps a little!
 

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KenM said:
The 3e players handbook came out in august 2000, i think, NOT 99. So IMO its too early to do a revised edtion. With second edtion it was 5 years before they put out any changes. I hope Wizards does not expect to put out a new edtion every couple of years, DnD is NOT a card game, and if they "revise" DnD again in another 2.5 years, i'm changing systems for good, as I expect many other people will.

Why are you ranting away in a manner that has nothing to do with the subject at hand?

Damn, you would think the head of WOTC came over drank all your beer and kicked your dog while putting out 3.5

Get over it.
 
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As far as the comment made earlier on 3.5e. If you cross reference this with Ryan's article you'll find something out.

A corporate executive is actually telling the truth. On March 16, 2000 Ryan promised us we would be heard and encouraged us to speak up so they could hear us.

Now 2.5 years later they are releasing an update to the core rules of 3e that addresses the issues the customers have spoken of.

Thank You Ryan and thank you WotC

A customer who is glad he's finally being listened to.
 

I don't remember the names of the adventure or any other details when they decided to get rid of second ed.. I am glad Wizards is listening to the people, but I hope this does not become a habit, 2.5 years between revisons is too soon, IMO. Wizards also put out a couple of adventure books with 4-5 adventures from dragon magaize "dungeons of despair" and "road to danger", and the adventure "The shattered circle" witch has alot in common with sunless citedel(sp), done by same guy. Both are good, IMO.
 
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It's worth pointing out that it's 3 years, not 2.5 3E came out in Summer '00. 3.5E comes out in Summer '03.
 
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The quick time to revision is a testament to the fact that they are listening. They see that many people have major issues with the system and they are fixing them quickly.

It's is slated for a simultaneous SRD release so what's the problem. There will probably be some sort of conversion manual as well.
 

Drawmack said:
As far as the comment made earlier on 3.5e. If you cross reference this with Ryan's article you'll find something out.

A corporate executive is actually telling the truth. On March 16, 2000 Ryan promised us we would be heard and encouraged us to speak up so they could hear us.

Spot on. If there is one thing I always loved about Ryan's tenure at WotC, he was dead-level honest (diplomatic, but dead-level honest) with the public. He was also unflappable in the face of criticism, which shows the height of class.

Not everyone agreed with him, but he was a darned good leader and communicator - at least from this side of the Computer Monitor. I felt quite sorry when he left WotC.
 


Henry said:


Spot on. If there is one thing I always loved about Ryan's tenure at WotC, he was dead-level honest (diplomatic, but dead-level honest) with the public. He was also unflappable in the face of criticism, which shows the height of class.

Not everyone agreed with him, but he was a darned good leader and communicator - at least from this side of the Computer Monitor. I felt quite sorry when he left WotC.

Totally agree. But he's not dead yet Jim. :) Ryan is still involved in things, and is in the loop concerning the new 3.5 edition, at least somewhat. I agree that it's too bad he's no longer with WOTC though; they've lost so many good folks...
 

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