can Undead }"Rage?"

[hong]

Ah, raging undead... I've got one of those coming up...

Indeed, a most excellent name for a rock band.


Hong "almost as good as The Grateful Undead" Ooi

 

[Mark Chance]

No Con? No Problem!

Although since they don't have a Con score, they'll be raging for all of 3 rounds, so I would guess most undead wouldn't bother.

I'd base, for example, a vampire barbarian's rage ability on Charisma. There is already precedent for changing Con-based abilities to Cha-based abilities for undead creatures.

Are there really raging undead in WoTC books? If so, how is the rage ability handled in them. Like a barbarian, or like the rage ability of certain dire animals?

 

[dkilgo]

I don't know.

I will have to look a bit harder to get the examples I want.

 

[ruleslawyer]

SKR recommends substituting an undead creature's Cha modifier for its Con modifier when determining rage duration.

http://www.seankreynolds.com/rpgfiles/misc/misc.html

I'll go a-hunting for examples of raging undead in WotC products when I have a moment...

 

[Darkness]

Although since they don't have a Con score, they'll be raging for all of 3 rounds, so I would guess most undead wouldn't bother.

Yeah... Plus, they of course won't get any Con increases (and extra hp, etc.) from Rage, either.

I wonder about being fatigued after the Rage, though; I think they ought to be immune to fatigue but it's not mentioned in the MM.
Then again, it could also be one of the advantages of not having a Con score - but I don't know where to look that up...

 

[Mark Chance]

Since I'm a cruel GM...

...I'd give a barbarian undead a +4 to Str, a +4 to Dex, negate the AC penalty, and ignore the Will save bonus. No HP increases and no post-rage fatigue applicable, all in addition to basing duration on Cha instead of Con.

 

[dkilgo]

I think that you could affect thier movement to make up fo rthe lack of a Con score when it comes to determining fatigue.

 

[The Iron Mark]

Well there is an example of a Construct raging. Dragon #297, the giant clay golem. It says it can rage forever since it doesn't tire out.