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Can WotC Cater to Past Editions Without Compromising 4e Design?
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<blockquote data-quote="Vaeron" data-source="post: 5669521" data-attributes="member: 3956"><p>Problem is that 4e design is ALREADY compromised, and becoming increasingly more so with every update, batch of errata, or Class Compendium reimagining of pre-existing PHB1 classes to bring them into line with the new subclass structure. It's quite possible to play 4e while ignoring every bit of errata that's ever been released, but design has moved far, far away from what some of us liked when the edition first came out. 4e has already strayed from the original design philosophy, and there's a new philosophy going foreward. </p><p></p><p>In the Legends & Lore column, particularly the most recent, Player Vs Character, Mearls is talking increasingly about how "post 3e D&D", as he puts it, is missing something. To me, all this noise about earlier editions coming not just from the community but WotC itself indicates that they believe they've made mistakes with 4e, which is where all this Essentials and subclasses and old school nostalgia is coming from.</p><p></p><p>The nostalgia has been very heavy in the pages of Dragon and in the editiorial columns - even Shelly's column talked about how they were all trying 1e and how much more fun it was. They even - gasp - roleplayed, something she claims in the column never to have done in 4e. </p><p></p><p>This is definitely all headed somewhere. I would expect to see 4e design further altered along these lines. And 5e when it eventually comes about will probably be pretty retro compared to what we have now. Which, given Pathfinder's success, is maybe what people actually want.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Vaeron, post: 5669521, member: 3956"] Problem is that 4e design is ALREADY compromised, and becoming increasingly more so with every update, batch of errata, or Class Compendium reimagining of pre-existing PHB1 classes to bring them into line with the new subclass structure. It's quite possible to play 4e while ignoring every bit of errata that's ever been released, but design has moved far, far away from what some of us liked when the edition first came out. 4e has already strayed from the original design philosophy, and there's a new philosophy going foreward. In the Legends & Lore column, particularly the most recent, Player Vs Character, Mearls is talking increasingly about how "post 3e D&D", as he puts it, is missing something. To me, all this noise about earlier editions coming not just from the community but WotC itself indicates that they believe they've made mistakes with 4e, which is where all this Essentials and subclasses and old school nostalgia is coming from. The nostalgia has been very heavy in the pages of Dragon and in the editiorial columns - even Shelly's column talked about how they were all trying 1e and how much more fun it was. They even - gasp - roleplayed, something she claims in the column never to have done in 4e. This is definitely all headed somewhere. I would expect to see 4e design further altered along these lines. And 5e when it eventually comes about will probably be pretty retro compared to what we have now. Which, given Pathfinder's success, is maybe what people actually want. [/QUOTE]
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