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<blockquote data-quote="Magus_Jerel" data-source="post: 194876" data-attributes="member: 3940">Actually - I MADE this argument back on page 3If you are unconcious, you cannot percive your environment in any way - and therefore do NOT have a &quot;wisdom score&quot; with respect to that environment.&nbsp; In fact, you maintain your wisdom score - but are still an object due to your lack of ability to percieve.Just because you HAVE a wisdom score, does NOT make you &quot;not an object&quot;.&nbsp; See Animated Objects in the MM for case and point.To phrase it in a logical senseLack of wisdom score -&gt; objectobject -&gt; may or may not have a wisdom scoreunconcious -&gt; inability to percieve enviromentinability to percieve environment -&gt; objectNow - if you insist on the fact that &quot;unwilling&quot; is automatic for all creatures who are unconcious - the following are the consequences.1. Contingency/teleport automatically fails2. Attemting to cast a cure wounds or heal spell on a dying comrade means that the dying comrade must make a will save for the cure spell to work.3. Subjects CANNOT choose to accept a spell while unconcious.As 1, 2 and 3 are the case by empirical evidence - it would lead me to conclude that to remain cosistent with precedent; teleporting of unconcious persons occurs because they are considered objects at least for the purposes of resolving the teleport spell.After all... they are a body whose &quot;mental function&quot; has ceased.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Magus_Jerel, post: 194876, member: 3940"] Actually - I MADE this argument back on page 3 If you are unconcious, you cannot percive your environment in any way - and therefore do NOT have a "wisdom score" with respect to that environment. In fact, you maintain your wisdom score - but are still an object due to your lack of ability to percieve. Just because you HAVE a wisdom score, does NOT make you "not an object". See Animated Objects in the MM for case and point. To phrase it in a logical sense Lack of wisdom score -> object object -> may or may not have a wisdom score unconcious -> inability to percieve enviroment inability to percieve environment -> object Now - if you insist on the fact that "unwilling" is automatic for all creatures who are unconcious - the following are the consequences. 1. Contingency/teleport automatically fails 2. Attemting to cast a cure wounds or heal spell on a dying comrade means that the dying comrade must make a will save for the cure spell to work. 3. Subjects CANNOT choose to accept a spell while unconcious. As 1, 2 and 3 are the case by empirical evidence - it would lead me to conclude that to remain cosistent with precedent; teleporting of unconcious persons occurs because they are considered objects at least for the purposes of resolving the teleport spell. After all... they are a body whose "mental function" has ceased. [/QUOTE]

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