Can you teleport an unwilling, but unconscious, person with you?

[Lazybones]

The write-up of the teleport spell indicates that you cannot take an unwilling person with you. What if that person in unconscious, and thus incapable of informed consent? Would he be unwilling by default, or treated as just another object?

 

[mikebr99]

"Hey you..." (kicks subject on the floor)

"Do you not want to be teleported to my evil lair?" (waits for response...)

"I guess that means - Sure, I'd love to see your evil lair, and I hope you have lots of nasty things there also..."

 

[Crothian]

The write-up of the teleport spell indicates that you cannot take an unwilling person with you. What if that person in unconscious, and thus incapable of informed consent? Would he be unwilling by default, or treated as just another object?

Not able to give consent means no consent in my book.

 

[Thanee]

Dunno what the rules say, but I'd allow to teleport an unconscious person.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Dr. Zoom]

What if you want to teleport an unconscious ally away from a dangerous battle? Would the ally be willing by default?

 

[mikebr99]

Re: Re: Can you teleport an unwilling, but unconscious, person with you?

Not able to give consent means no consent in my book.

An unconscious person is helpless... i.e. not able to make the will save necessary to resist the teleport spell.

 

[Crothian]

Re: Re: Re: Can you teleport an unwilling, but unconscious, person with you?

An unconscious person is helpless... i.e. not able to make the will save necessary to resist the teleport spell.

Teleport has no save.

 

[Lazybones]

Thanks for the replies, all. This question has to do with a major plot point coming up in my story hour, so I think I'll probably Rule 0 it and go with my original choice (i.e. yes). Seems like it's a matter of opinion on implementation rather than a firm rule in the books (I don't read the sage or have any of the follow-up rulebooks, so I wasn't sure if this question had come up and been resolved elsewhere).

I'll check back later and see if anyone else has weighed in.

LB

 

[The Crimster]

I sort of think this is a no-brainer, and I'm surprised at Crothian's response.

You cannot be 'willful' in any way when you are unconscious. Yes, you can be teleported. Of course!

This is like asking if you can use dodge while unconscious.

 

[Dr. Zoom]

I sort of think this is a no-brainer, and I'm surprised at Crothian's response.

You cannot be 'willful' in any way when you are unconscious. Yes, you can be teleported. Of course!

This is like asking if you can use dodge while unconscious.

The spell requires a willing creature. This is differant than saying it will work unless the creature is unwilling. The former will not include unconscious creatures, the latter will. The language of the spell is the former, and that is the question, unless I am totally missing the point.