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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Stormonu" data-source="post: 5652625" data-attributes="member: 52734">I do like the "sea" concept of 4E somewhat better than the "wheel" concept of late 2E/3E.  That doesn't mean I don't like the outer planes, I just like the borders and positioning to be a bit more nebulous than they were depicted in earlier editions.The idea of a great Armada departing from Hell to do battle with a Celestial fleet is something I'd like to try one day.  Perhaps starting a campaign where the characters are survivors of that great battle, washed upon the shores of an outer plane of a forgotten, dead god...</blockquote>