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Message: <blockquote data-quote="catastrophic" data-source="post: 5653036" data-attributes="member: 81381">No no no, I didn'ty say that it wasn't old and repeated, I said, quite corectly, that there wasn't actually that much depth and history involved. Firstly, a lot of the material was just repeated. Second, a lot of the additional details didn't relate to real depth or history. Third, while there were books of some substance done under for instance, the planescape banner, you're again ignoring how much WOTC has put into the 4e planes. Entire multiple books worth. Were they all gems? Probably not. Was all the great wheel stuff? Hell no.  No, again,I said editorial, not writing. And freelancers work on all sorts of books for wotc. The point is that the agenda of fleshing out the planes with for instance, more detailed histories started late in 3e, and went foward into 4e. Again, the fact that 4e's cosmos is different is not a bad thing, especially since it clearly built on the approach seen in the fiendish codex, as is commonplace in the trasition from late 3e to early 4e in all sorts of areas. Again, only proving my point. The 4e planar material is written up based on an approach that began in 3e and progressed into 4e. And agin, the feywild has huge support, and is soon to get it's second full sized product. This compared to 3e. An optional plane, eh? Wow, how many sidebars did they spend on that one? No, i'm just pre-empting a particular fallacy that gets thrown around.  Actially, they were truly static, in that they never changed. They were after all, infinite, and arbitary. Towns in the borderlands might slip, but there was no real state of flux or conflict in the outer or inner planes, least of all the blood war. The same is true for the elemental chaos and the astral sea, indeed, the same is true for any plane is the gm wishes it to be, and to be frank, 'inifinity' is not a quality that any game can seriously claim to encapsulate or make use of.</blockquote>

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