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Message: <blockquote data-quote="catastrophic" data-source="post: 5658015" data-attributes="member: 81381">It was out of line, and it's not apropriate. It's not actually reasonable to say that 'these guys joking about bytopia can only be described using foul language'.  In any argument or conflict, it's easy to blame both sides, or to claim that both sides act equally poorly, or that everyone in a debate acts with equal merit. But frankly, that's just a way to avoid accountability for the people who actually do act poorly, and often a way to ignore the root causes of a conflict or negative outcome. No, they have the reality of having kept it going for years because they clearly are and do. The sales numbers, the rumors, in fact any excuse people can find, will lead here. And it's not leading here because we fight back, it's leading here because of the same old agressors, looking for excuses, and being tolerated, in fact, encouraged in their behavior. You don't see threads with fans of 4e bitching about Paizo or making bizzare personal statements about their employees or customers. There was no rumor this year about how WOTC was going to got o gencon and release "4.0.2.0: 'death to essentials fighters' edition". Nor was there a post-convention rumor about the rumor being true even through it was proven false and was never anything but laughable to begin with.  If Paizo faces a reversal in sales numbers later on, I doubt that anyone will mention it, least of all fans of 4e, regardless of how much 4e might gain from such numbers. And if sales did change, and 4e fans did take to crowing about sales numbers the way paizo fans do? The retaliation from the usual suspects would put a fuel-air bomb to shame. I mean can any of you imagine what would happen if Mike Mearls came out and talked proudly about 4e gaining market share, the way Lisa Stevens has?  This vendetta is one way, and the same side is always the one keeping it going. Alll the other side does is occasionally mount a spirited defence, or just watch from a distance and laugh.</blockquote>

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