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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dire Bare" data-source="post: 5659496" data-attributes="member: 18182">Yup, I'm still right!  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  Maybe there are some Greyhawk grognards in this thread who also collected all the 3E books so they can back me up.  Notice how many of the Greyhawk names you mention are also in 4E, yet noone will of course argue 4E is Greyhawk.  I've sold off all my 3E books, so can't quote you journal article quality sources.  Ah well.At the beginning, 3.0, the core books offered us Greyhawk Lite, and more detail quickly followed with the two Gazetteer products that fleshed out Greyhawk.  Also, in early products and Dragon articles, an effort was made to set the fluff in Greyhawk, even if some stuff was newly invented and details were sometimes light.Can't remember when exactly the shift occurred, before or after 3.5.  Now, Greyhawk Lite was never left behind, we see the same deities and well, mages, in the 3.5 core books.  But at some point all effort to set later products in Greyhawk ceased, also can't remember if it was gradual or abrupt.  Good, obvious examples are the series of D&D novels that featured our heroes the "iconics", such as Redgar . . . and were decidedly not set in Greyhawk.  Another good example are the "Races of" books, such as Races of the Wild, where WotC tossed out the classic demihuman pantheons (except for their respective "king" gods like Corellon and Moradin) and established entirely new ones that had no connection to Greyhawk.  There are other smaller examples I can remember too, such as example cities that were not set in Greyhawk (they weren't set anywhere, but didn't fit into established Greyhawk).  Later 3E D&D became a mish-mash of Greyhawk and generic fantasy with no effort at a coherent setting.Compared to the 4E cosmology, which borrows elements from several classic D&D campaign settings, but retains (so far, at least) a consistent world.Not saying that this is a good or bad thing, and if you aren't familiar with Greyhawk you'd have missed it, but there it is.Believe me or not, it's all good.  Greyhawk is awesome, and there was also a lot of good ideas in the latter 3E days.</blockquote>

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