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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mournblade94" data-source="post: 5662505" data-attributes="member: 74608">I actually thought the me/us was inferred. Also spellcasters did not out do other roles in my games.  Everyone always recognized the spells that would make a rogue obsolete, however the mages never took those spells because it was not a sacrifice they were willing to make.  Ever it seems.  If you could spontaneously cast Utility spells like find traps, that would be a major problem.  I ahve yet to meet a cleric player actually cast find traps.  I take that back.  I had a cleric of mask, but he was a multiclass rogue/cleric.    I recognize the argument is as you illustrate a case of outshining roles but that is what I am talking about.  The role overlap.</blockquote>