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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TheAuldGrump" data-source="post: 5663790" data-attributes="member: 6957">Heh, you were supposed to concentrate on the quip about pod people. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />I am never sure how often these problems come up in reality - I suspect that is less often than people think.For what it is worth, I suspect that the 'grind' in 4e is also overstated - that it may be an effect of inexperienced GMs, and maybe WotC adventures. Experienced GMs will compensate, and have a better game. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> The grind in the two sessions of 4e I played was... incredibly dull, combat took forever, with a whole lot of pushing and pulling to limited effect. The GM was using a WotC adventure, I forget which one. Either way, I blame WotC, but I would prefer to say that is mostly because they do a horrible job writing adventures, and have since before 4e was a glimmer. (I.e. not entirely, or even mostly, a 4e problem.)A good GM will not have that problem, may never have that problem, and may not even think about how they changed things - they just did it and it worked.And if someone pulls the 'grind' out as a problem, then like as not the GM will think that there is no problem, because for him there isn't.I have experienced it, and know that it is a problem.And we are both right. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/ponder.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":hmm:" title="Hmmm    :hmm:" data-shortname=":hmm:" />I also think that the 'grind' is where a lot of the boardgame accusations and WoW snark come from, the combat can take long enough that it becomes more noticeable. If you avoid the 'grind' then you know that it isn't true....The Auld Grump</blockquote>

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