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<blockquote data-quote="ezo" data-source="post: 9211373" data-attributes="member: 7037866">Jeez...No, you weren't refuting it. My point stands and cannot be refuted, it is factual. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Um, kinda wrong again. This thread is about many things. I've only challenged the point that AD&amp;D has several times more spellcasting slots. Haven't attempted to challenge or counter anything else yet. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />[USER=52734]@Stormonu[/USER] began by pointing out:Which, while true, had no bearing on the discussion I was part of at the time. And so my replyAnd again, although many spells auto-increased in power in AD&amp;D, I simply added:Which is also all true that the 5E version of fireball would be the same as if an 8th level caster in AD&amp;D cast it. And the 1st-level 5E magic missle would be equal to a 5th-level AD&amp;D caster.This was not an &quot;attempt to counter by pointing out differences in spell power levels.&quot; I wasn't countering [USER=52734]@Stormonu[/USER], I was pointing out that the spells begin at a more &quot;powerful&quot; effect in 5E.Sure, but it wasn't necessary as I am well aware that 5E creatures have more hp. And I already know that spells are more powerful at default (in general, in other ways some aren't) to deal with the hp bloat.But you're trying to discuss something that there's no need to discuss...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ezo, post: 9211373, member: 7037866"] Jeez... No, you weren't refuting it. My point stands and cannot be refuted, it is factual. ;) Um, kinda wrong again. [B]This [I]thread [/I]is about many things.[/B] I've only challenged the point that AD&D has several times more spellcasting slots. Haven't attempted to challenge or counter anything else yet. :) [USER=52734]@Stormonu[/USER] began by pointing out: Which, while true, had no bearing on the discussion I was part of at the time. And so my reply And again, although many spells auto-increased in power in AD&D, I simply added: Which is also all true that the 5E version of fireball would be the same as if an 8th level caster in AD&D cast it. And the 1st-level 5E magic missle would be equal to a 5th-level AD&D caster. This was not an "attempt to counter by pointing out differences in spell power levels." I wasn't countering [USER=52734]@Stormonu[/USER], I was pointing out that the spells begin at a more "powerful" effect in 5E. Sure, but it wasn't necessary as I am well aware that 5E creatures have more hp. And I already know that spells are more powerful at default (in general, in other ways some aren't) to deal with the hp bloat. But you're trying to discuss something that there's no need to discuss... [/QUOTE]

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