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<blockquote data-quote="Gammadoodler" data-source="post: 9214659" data-attributes="member: 6914290">1. I stand by exhaustion at different levels being 5 separate debuffs as that is exactly how it happens. It would be exactly the same as if it were on a scale from say &quot;weary&quot; to to &quot;catatonic&quot;. And it's not like you can clear the exhausted condition past level 1 with a single spell or effect.2. Even without that differentiation, your starting point was 7, which (IMO) is not that big a difference really. It's a bit like saying&quot;that guy's so rich he has 10 houses&quot;,and someone correcting you by saying&quot;I call BS.. he only has 6 houses and a 5 unit beach condo&quot;3. Several of the spells you downgrade don't downgrade from completely unaffected to useless; they downgrade all the way to..mostly unaffected (at least until we bring in blinded)4. Even removing those spells that are minimally effected by these conditions, there is still a spell from that &quot;top of my head, nowhere near exhaustive&quot; listing that a caster can execute while:Blind,Deaf,Poisoned,Prone,Grappled,Frightened,Charmed,Restrained, ANDExhausted..nigh..unto..deathIn the middle of an active warzoneWith no peronal risk and no reduction in effect..at all...and I don't think it'd be all that difficult to find more.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gammadoodler, post: 9214659, member: 6914290"] 1. I stand by exhaustion at different levels being 5 separate debuffs as that is exactly how it happens. It would be exactly the same as if it were on a scale from say "weary" to to "catatonic". And it's not like you can clear the exhausted condition past level 1 with a single spell or effect. 2. Even without that differentiation, your starting point was 7, which (IMO) is not that big a difference really. It's a bit like saying "[I]that guy's so rich he has 10 houses[/I]", and someone correcting you by saying "[I]I call BS.. he only has 6 houses and a 5 unit beach condo[/I]" 3. Several of the spells you downgrade don't downgrade from completely unaffected to useless; they downgrade all the way to..mostly unaffected (at least until we bring in blinded) 4. Even removing those spells that are minimally effected by these conditions, there is still a spell from that "top of my head, nowhere near exhaustive" listing that a caster can execute while: Blind, Deaf, Poisoned, Prone, Grappled, Frightened, Charmed, Restrained, AND Exhausted..[B]nigh..unto..death[/B] In the middle of an active warzone [B]With no peronal risk and no reduction in effect..at all.[/B] ..and I don't think it'd be all that difficult to find more. [/QUOTE]

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