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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9220169" data-attributes="member: 7030563">I think over half of martials in play have the ability to do this.&nbsp; All Monks above 5th level have the ability to do this, 100% of them and more importantly all classes have the opportunity to get an ability to incapacitate an enemy with a single action by 4th level.When you consider Monks, spells, subclass abilities and feats, I think it is over 50% of all martials being played above 3rd level do have an ability to incapacitate an enemy.&nbsp; Probably not 50% of Rogues and certainly not 50% of Barbarians, but 50% or more overall of all the players playing martial classes (defining ,martials as classes that get extra attack as a class feature).I would agree most full casters above 3rd level have this as well and at an even higher percentage than martials, but it is not all casters either. Which is really the problem with these types of discussions - you are painting something with a broad brush which is often invalidated by the particulars in a given game or even in most games.Although there are a lot of assumptions and caveats -&nbsp; I can make a statement that &quot;The Wizard class is more powerful than the Fighter class&quot; and that statement has a bunch of assumptions rolled into it, but it is mostly true as a standalone statement.&nbsp; But it is not the same as Casters are more powerful than Martials&quot; which is far more ambiguous and far less true generally.&nbsp; And finally a statement that in game Casters are more powerful than Martials which is entirely situational and game dependent.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 9220169, member: 7030563"] I think over half of martials in play have the ability to do this. All Monks above 5th level have the ability to do this, 100% of them and more importantly all classes have the opportunity to get an ability to incapacitate an enemy with a single action by 4th level. When you consider Monks, spells, subclass abilities and feats, I think it is over 50% of all martials being played above 3rd level do have an ability to incapacitate an enemy. Probably not 50% of Rogues and certainly not 50% of Barbarians, but 50% or more overall of all the players playing martial classes (defining ,martials as classes that get extra attack as a class feature). I would agree most full casters above 3rd level have this as well and at an even higher percentage than martials, but it is not all casters either. Which is really the problem with these types of discussions - you are painting something with a broad brush which is often invalidated by the particulars in a given game or even in most games. Although there are a lot of assumptions and caveats - I can make a statement that "The Wizard class is more powerful than the Fighter class" and that statement has a bunch of assumptions rolled into it, but it is mostly true as a standalone statement. But it is not the same as Casters are more powerful than Martials" which is far more ambiguous and far less true generally. And finally a statement that in game Casters are more powerful than Martials which is entirely situational and game dependent. [/QUOTE]

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