D&D 5E Casting multiple spells with bonus spells and the order they are cast.

[CapnZapp]

JesterOC, I admire your patience, but I'm afraid there's no rational argument that will sway these people.

It's like "the cat is blue! It never says the cat is not blue!"

If you ask them where they read the cat is blue, they just go "everyone knows cats are blue - where does it say it ISN'T blue?"

In other words, the only thing that will convince them they're wrong is if the PHB asserts negations, and of course it will never do that, nor should it.

But kudos again to your patience.

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[Greenstone.Walker]

A reaction is not part of your turn, though it may happen during it.

Again, I'm not understanding this. Is it a regional English thing?

The PHB rule on bonus action spells is: You can't cast another spell during the same turn, except for a cantrip with a casting time of 1 action.

If it happens after the start of your turn and before the end of your turn, how can the reaction not be "during the same turn"?

 

[Helldritch]

The rules says: If a reaction interupts another's creature turn, it will resume its turn at the end of the of the reaction.
So a reaction interupts a turn for a brief moment.
A player can be considered a creature.
His turn can be interupted.

Once the turn is interupted, you resolve whatever is happening during the interuption, then you resume the turn. Since you're not in the turn sequence, you can use your reaction, whatever that is. Q.E.D.

A bit more clarification on my part.
Both positions can be viable. IF you decide that a reaction is part of the turn, then you obviously can't use counter spell in our discussed case.

IF you decide that a reaction is not part of the turn then you can use the counter spell as a reaction is not part of the turn since the turn IS interupted.

Both positions have pros and cons. Both positions are viable. Both positions are RAW and RAI.

I have seen nothing in the counter arguments to make me change my position and from what I am seeing, there is nothing in my argumentation that can make you change your mind. I perfectly understand your position on that matter. It's not that I don't understand, it's just that I do not agree.

I think we should leave it at that. It would be counter productive to argue further on that subject.

 

[CapnZapp]

I think we should leave it at that. It would be counter productive to argue further on that subject.

Nobody is trying to make you stop running the game however you wish.

But you insist on saying your houserule is no houserule but the rules as written, in a thread where a newbie asks questions and want clear RAW answers.

That shows an incredible lack of judgment. You KNOW your interpretation is unorthodox, yet you keep muddying the waters.

THIS is what we want you to stop doing. Not make you change the way YOU run the game.

Best regards,
Zapp



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[Dausuul]

My understanding is that if you cast a spell as a bonus action you cannot cast another spell unless it is a cantrip with a casting time of 1 action.

Correct.

This limitation ONLY applies when you cast a spell as a bonus action. So for example, if you are a caster with fighter levels you CAN cast two spells of any level with a casting time of 1 action IF you are using your action surge.

Correct again.

If it's true that if you cast a spell as a bonus action you cannot cast another spell unless it is a cantrip with a casting time of 1 action, does it follow that if you cast a 1st level or higher spell with a casting time of 1 action BEFORE you use your bonus action, that you cannot use your bonus action to cast a spell with a casting time of 1 bonus action?

That would be how I read it.

...and what if it is a cantrip with a casting time of 1 bonus action?

Whether the bonus-action spell is a cantrip or not doesn't matter.

 

[Helldritch]

I have my interpretation of the rule, you have yours.

Until the Devs says otherwise. From my point of view I am right. You are wrong.
From your point of view it is the opposite. Fine by me.

And stop making personal attacks on me and those that do not agree with you. I do not lack judgment. From my point of view it could be considered the reverse, but I will not swim in these kind of waters.

My position is logical and it is RAW unless a Dev says otherwise.
You shown me part of the rules that gave you legitimacy. I did the same.

The sad thing is that you don't want to hear or see and you won't even consider to try to use my point of view to try and understand. You just hammer in the same sentence without the whole context. This is something you keep doing in many of your posts. You're an intelligent person but you don't seem to be willing to see other point of views other than your own. You know, sometimes you have to search on more than one place to get the full rule. It is an unfortunate event, but it happens.

 

[dpkress2]

If it makes you guys feel any better. As the OP of this question, I am going with the interpretation that a reaction spell that is cast on/during/part of/in addition to/in conjunction with/simultaneously/along side the Iraq and such as COUNTS and cannot be cast per the rule that it is not cantrip with a casting time of 1 action.

I think Sage Advice and Crawford's answer are fairly explanatory.

 

[Ilbranteloth]

A reaction is not part of the standard action and bonus action turn event. It is entirely independent from that mechanic.
Wheter the reaction is made during your turn or someone else's turn is irrelevant.

That’s what I think has been clarified multiple times by the sages. Particularly in regards to Sneak Attack - a reaction is separate from your turn.

Having said that, I think that the restriction to only cantrips after a bonus action might have more to do with the amount of magical energy they feel you can expend in a round, rather than being directly connected to the turns. Having said that, I don’t recall any restriction if you cast a spell using a reaction before your turn and/or bonus action.

So my question is, if you cast a spell using your action can you still cast a spell as a reaction?

 

[Ilbranteloth]

That’s what I think has been clarified multiple times by the sages. Particularly in regards to Sneak Attack - a reaction is separate from your turn.

Having said that, I think that the restriction to only cantrips after a bonus action might have more to do with the amount of magical energy they feel you can expend in a round, rather than being directly connected to the turns. Having said that, I don’t recall any restriction if you cast a spell using a reaction before your turn and/or bonus action.

So my question is, if you cast a spell using your action can you still cast a spell as a reaction?

Sage advice has the info you want, go to the section on casting time: http://media.wizards.com/2016/downloads/DND/SA-Compendium.pdf

It specifies that after you have cast a spell using your bonus action you can cast another spell as an action, but it must be a cantrips.

Note that it says action, not turn.

There’s a second question to clarify casting as a bonus action, and then the question, “can you also cast a reaction spell on your turn?” And the answer is “yes you can.”

There is an interaction between spells you cast as a bonus action and those you cast as an action. There is no interaction between those and a spell cast as a reaction.

 

[Helldritch]

This is what we have been trying to say from the beginning. But it seems that our arguments fall on deaf ears. (or should I say blind eyes?)