Cavalier - Full Mounted Attack?!?

[Artoomis]

What is the actual game effect of the "Full Mounted Attack" ability for the Cavalier prestige class?

If it really is a standard action for an attack, that's pretty useless because that's essentially what you get anyway. I'm pretty sure this has been addressed before by WotC, but I'm not sure where.

Can anyone familiar with WotC's response to this please post what they said?

 

[Jeremy]

The game language hadn't fully developed when that ability was written.

And for some reason, it didn't make it into errata. But the intent is the same as the name. A full attack at the end of charge. Like pounce, lion's charge, and the like.

See Kishi Charger's better worded later stab at the ability on pg 43 of OA.

Full Mounted Attack (Ex): At 6th level, a kishi charger gains the ability to make a full attack from horseback, even if his mount has moved more than 5 feet in the round.

That's what I'd recommend doing.

 

[Hypersmurf]

The game language hadn't fully developed when that ability was written.

And for some reason, it didn't make it into errata. But the intent is the same as the name. A full attack at the end of charge. Like pounce, lion's charge, and the like.

Althoug Lion's Charge isn't any better worded - it implies you get a charge attack, followed by a full attack action.

-Hyp.

 

[kreynolds]

If it really is a standard action for an attack, that's pretty useless because that's essentially what you get anyway.

A standard action allows a move or move-equivalent action. A partial action does not. Thus, with a standard action, you can attack and also retrieve a potion or sheath a weapon. With a partial action, you can attack, and that's it. You can't get off your horse, sheath a weapon, or do anything that would require a move or move-equivalent action.

The ability as written after the name makes sense. Its the name of the ability itself that doesn't. It implies that you would be able to make a full-attack, but the description doesn't allow it.

In short, while not as cool as the name of the ability implies, there is a substantial difference between being able to take a standard action or a partial action.

 

[Artoomis]

Re: Re: Cavalier - Full Mounted Attack?!?

A standard action allows a move or move-equivalent action. A partial action does not. Thus, with a standard action, you can attack and also retrieve a potion or sheath a weapon. With a partial action, you can attack, and that's it. You can't get off your horse, sheath a weapon, or do anything that would require a move or move-equivalent action.

The ability as written after the name makes sense. Its the name of the ability itself that doesn't. It implies that you would be able to make a full-attack, but the description doesn't allow it.

In short, while not as cool as the name of the ability implies, there is a substantial difference between being able to take a standard action or a partial action.

No..... Actually you get a "partial melee attack" the the PHB, not a partial action. The language in the PHB seems to state that you get you get a MEA in addition to that "partial melee attack."

But let's not bedate that in this thread, please. that's for the other Mounted Combat thread.

 

[Ranger REG]

But what is a partial melee attack?
Answer: making one regular attack per round.

What is partial action?
Answer: making one regular activity (including one attack) per round.

What is standard action?
Answer: making one regular activity (including one attack) plus a move or MEA per round.

It all boils down to making one regular attack per round.

The revised Full Mounted Attack feature, allow you to make full attack (i.e., multiple attacks) on top of your mount while your mount move more than 5 feet (but short of a Charge attack; this should have been clarified).

 

[kreynolds]

The revised Full Mounted Attack feature, allow you to make full attack (i.e., multiple attacks)....

Where was this revised?

 

[kreynolds]

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No..... Actually you get a "partial melee attack" the the PHB, not a partial action.

No...Actually (), you get a "partial action", as per the text in S&F. There is no such thing as a "partial melee attack" as an action, but there is, however, such a thing as an attack as a partial action. Anyways, looks we'll have to wait until 3.5 before we know for sure.

But let's not bedate that in this thread, please.

You asked about the "Full Mounted Attack" ability for the Cavalier prestige class, so my post is entirely relevant. It states partial action, not partial melee attack. There's a difference.

 

[Artoomis]

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No...Actually (), you get a "partial action", as per the text in S&F. There is no such thing as a "partial melee attack" as an action, but there is, however, such a thing as an attack as a partial action. Anyways, looks we'll have to wait until 3.5 before we know for sure.



You asked about the "Full Mounted Attack" ability for the Cavalier prestige class, so my post is entirely relevant. It states partial action, not partial melee attack. There's a difference.

1. The core rules state "partial melee attack." What that means is subject to interpretation.

2. S&F is not a very good book to use for figuring out any other rules. Sorry - but that's the way it is.

3. 3.5 Will clear this up, I suppose. Just a few more months to go!

 

[kreynolds]

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1. The core rules state "partial melee attack." What that means is subject to interpretation.

I agree that it is subject to interpretation, but the bottom line is that there is no such action as a "partial melee attack". The wording in the PH doesn't even use the same language as the rest of the rules. Usually, bad language like this is restricted to the glossary, but there it is.

2. S&F is not a very good book to use for figuring out any other rules. Sorry - but that's the way it is.

The poorly worded text in the PH doesn't hold a candle to the concisely worded text in S&F. There's no denying that. In this particular case, S&F is a perfect source to use to figure out the rules, as the PH is way off the mark in using correct terminology.

3. 3.5 Will clear this up, I suppose.

You would think, given that partial actions don't exhist anymore (except for special cases, AFAIK).

Just a few more months to go!

Yup! I haven't even ordered my books yet though. A local comic shot is refunding 5 bucks for each core rulebook, in good condition, you give them. I figured I'd wait, since that's 15 bucks I'll be saving of about $90.