Chain Devils w/ Baatezu Qualities ...

[jgsugden]

I want some opinions.

Chain Devils are CR 6. Oddly, they lack the standard Baatezu qualities. For campaign design purposes, I want to add those qualities to the Chain Devil (including the ability to summon 1d6 Lemures with a 50% chance)

Would you increase the CR of the Chain Devil for adding these abilities, or are the additions not worthy of a chance in the CR to you? Would you increase it to 7? To 8? To 9?

 

[werk]

Devil Traits
Most devils possesses the following traits (unless otherwise noted in a creature’s entry).

We have to assume that they mean noted by omission.

So you want to trade cold immunity for cold resistance. (downgrade)
trade darkvision for devil sight. (upgrade)
add fire and poison immunity. (big upgrade)
add summoning. (upgrade)

When you add the above to the kyton, I think it warrants a +1 CR bump.

And does anyone else think the kyton is a weak attempt at adding Spawn to D&D?

 

[Infiniti2000]

I'd say +1, although I'm not sure why werk would swap out the cold immunity and darkness.

 

[Thorindale]

And does anyone else think the kyton is a weak attempt at adding Spawn to D&D?

I thinks it's more of a Hellraiser thing.

 

[werk]

I'd say +1, although I'm not sure why werk would swap out the cold immunity and darkness.

Doesn't make sense to have cold immunity and resistance, does it?

So you are saying keep the cold immunity and darkvision and just add devil sight...that works...whatever.

 

[Infiniti2000]

Well, jgsugden did say he wanted to add those qualities. I just wouldn't add cold resistance (obviously redundant). All the other devils with these traits have both darkvision and see in darkness, btw.

 

[Talmun]

I thinks it's more of a Hellraiser thing.

I agree, as such they work well with Scarosser, the god of torture, from BoVD.

I think the Kython was around long before Spawn...

 

[Chorn]

Oddly, they lack the standard Baatezu qualities.

Just want to point out that there's nothing odd about it. Kytons are not considered baatezu. They live in the Nine Hells of Baator but they don't belong to the baatezu race.