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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 4422921" data-attributes="member: 19675">Regardless of the words &quot;death spiral,&quot; the salient modifier is &quot;third party.&quot;&nbsp; The person who wrote that was explicitly limiting his comment here to 3PPs- the phrase does not apply to WotC's sales at all.&nbsp; The market may have been bad for 3PPs, but we have no idea from his commentary as to the health of WotC's D20 sales.As to the other link- so WotC flooded the market.&nbsp; So what?&nbsp; Its a standard tactic of industry leaders.&nbsp; For decades, smaller comic book companies tried to break the stranglehold Marvel and DC had on the market.&nbsp; Every year, Marvel and DC would flood the market with 4, 6, or 12 issue miniseries that made it unlikely that a startup would gain a foothold in the market, or even shelf space in a typical store.However, eventually a certain few companies overcame this barrier to entry and carved out a niche for themselves, like Image, Dark Horse, Valiant, and a few others.In the RPG market, serious gamers are going to figure out which company is putting out the best supp on Giantkin, Fey, Steampunk, Seafaring or whatever, even if WotC has supps on those topics.&nbsp; Some may even outsell the WotC products.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 4422921, member: 19675"] Regardless of the words "death spiral," the salient modifier is "third party." The person who wrote that was explicitly limiting his comment here to 3PPs- the phrase does not apply to WotC's sales at all. The market may have been bad for 3PPs, but we have no idea from his commentary as to the health of WotC's D20 sales. As to the other link- so WotC flooded the market. So what? Its a standard tactic of industry leaders. For decades, smaller comic book companies tried to break the stranglehold Marvel and DC had on the market. Every year, Marvel and DC would flood the market with 4, 6, or 12 issue miniseries that made it unlikely that a startup would gain a foothold in the market, or even shelf space in a typical store. However, eventually a certain few companies overcame this barrier to entry and carved out a niche for themselves, like Image, Dark Horse, Valiant, and a few others. In the RPG market, serious gamers are going to figure out which company is putting out the best supp on Giantkin, Fey, Steampunk, Seafaring or whatever, even if WotC has supps on those topics. Some may even outsell the WotC products. [/QUOTE]

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