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<blockquote data-quote="DaveMage" data-source="post: 4606806" data-attributes="member: 10447">If all you have run is Keep on the Shadowfell, then you haven't played the game for a real shakedown period yet (IMO).&nbsp; (It's likely still new and shiny to you.)&nbsp; Some people, after playing it a while, have found 4E to be lacking for various reasons.&nbsp; On the other hand, there are those who have fallen in love with it, so the reason you don't understand might be simply a lack of experience with the game.&nbsp; Many of the frustrations/complaints I have seen from people that have played it are:1) Sameness of classes2) Combats are repetitive (same actions by the same PCs each time)3) Combat grinds (combat outcome is known long before the end of it)4) Wizards lack the appeal of the wizards of past editions5) Not all that was core in 3.x is core in 4E&nbsp; (&quot;Core&quot; being defined as the PH, DMG, and MM)Of course, there are those which have played and have no problems with any of the above, but for those who are not playing anymore, these are some of the reasons often mentioned.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DaveMage, post: 4606806, member: 10447"] If all you have run is Keep on the Shadowfell, then you haven't played the game for a real shakedown period yet (IMO). (It's likely still new and shiny to you.) Some people, after playing it a while, have found 4E to be lacking for various reasons. On the other hand, there are those who have fallen in love with it, so the reason you don't understand might be simply a lack of experience with the game. Many of the frustrations/complaints I have seen from people that have played it are: 1) Sameness of classes 2) Combats are repetitive (same actions by the same PCs each time) 3) Combat grinds (combat outcome is known long before the end of it) 4) Wizards lack the appeal of the wizards of past editions 5) Not all that was core in 3.x is core in 4E ("Core" being defined as the PH, DMG, and MM) Of course, there are those which have played and have no problems with any of the above, but for those who are not playing anymore, these are some of the reasons often mentioned. [/QUOTE]

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