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<blockquote data-quote="Wisdom Penalty" data-source="post: 4607795" data-attributes="member: 13287">And this makes me sad.The poll results are inconsequential. I suspect WotC would be pleased if they could turn 50% or more of the hardcore 3e audience into 4e fans (and by 'hardcore' I mean those folks that visit here regularly and own a library's worth of 3e material). But...But anecdotes like pogre's are upsetting because he's easily got some cred when it comes to this. We see the same names saying the same stuff in this poll; that's to be expected - Danny, Cirno, Drow &quot;3.5 is the last edition of D&amp;D&quot; bane, etc etc etc. And, of course, there's Jack, me, and a couple other folks. Not throwing stones here from a glass house.So back to the reason I'm sad: pogre doesn't have the anti- or pro-4e baggage. He's a long-standing member of EN World (check the miniatures forum!) and, I suspect, he and his group have given 4e a college try. And may have found out it isn't for them.Fine. That happens. But the killer here - the KILLER - is that they are done with D&amp;D now. That is what worries me, my brethren: how many people that try 4e in the hopes of having something better than 3e are disappointed and then drop D&amp;D all together?I've made no secrets about it in my groups - there are some players that aren't (yet?) big fans of 4e.&nbsp; But there's not one - not one - guy in either of my two groups that would even consider going back to 3e or one of its sundry derivatives.&nbsp; So if 4e is not &quot;it&quot; then - just like pogre's group - D&amp;D is not &quot;it&quot;.Troubling, mates. Troubling.WP</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Wisdom Penalty, post: 4607795, member: 13287"] And this makes me sad. The poll results are inconsequential. I suspect WotC would be pleased if they could turn 50% or more of the hardcore 3e audience into 4e fans (and by 'hardcore' I mean those folks that visit here regularly and own a library's worth of 3e material). But... But anecdotes like pogre's are upsetting because he's easily got some cred when it comes to this. We see the same names saying the same stuff in this poll; that's to be expected - Danny, Cirno, Drow "3.5 is the last edition of D&D" bane, etc etc etc. And, of course, there's Jack, me, and a couple other folks. Not throwing stones here from a glass house. So back to the reason I'm sad: pogre doesn't have the anti- or pro-4e baggage. He's a long-standing member of EN World (check the miniatures forum!) and, I suspect, he and his group have given 4e a college try. And may have found out it isn't for them. Fine. That happens. But the killer here - the KILLER - is that they are done with D&D now. That is what worries me, my brethren: how many people that try 4e in the hopes of having something better than 3e are disappointed and [b]then[/b] drop D&D all together? I've made no secrets about it in my groups - there are some players that aren't (yet?) big fans of 4e. But there's not one - [i]not one[/i] - guy in either of my two groups that would even [i]consider[/i] going back to 3e or one of its sundry derivatives. So if 4e is not "it" then - just like pogre's group - D&D is not "it". Troubling, mates. Troubling. WP [/QUOTE]

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