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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Samurai" data-source="post: 4611464" data-attributes="member: 3850">I think what that poll shows is that ENWorlders tend to be the very committed, long-time gamers, dedicated to this hobby, with loads of experience in gaming.  By and large, not many part-time, casual, or newbie gamers here.I wonder if the hardcore gamers are too important a demographic to ignore... can 4e succeed by targeting mainly new or casual gamers instead of those most dedicated to the hobby?So, if the grognerds of gaming don't seem to care for 4e, is that because it's focused on attracting new gamers instead?  Is it because all these old gamers already have established campaigns with years, even decades of play, and 4e went too far from previous editions to make switching over easy? (vast differences in spells and abilities, missing races and classes, etc).  I can't speak for everyone, but that was our case... years invested in the campaign and characters, and several of the characters were untranslatable to 4e, so we've stuck with 3.5.</blockquote>