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<blockquote data-quote="Edena_of_Neith" data-source="post: 4619487" data-attributes="member: 2020"><p>(solemnly)</p><p></p><p> People leaving ENWorld over the edition change?</p><p> People giving up the hobby over things?</p><p> People losing friends, turning their back on their friends, over this?</p><p> People wrecking gaming groups, turning messageboards into Flame Wars, destroying their own gaming material, throwing their gaming material away, over this?</p><p></p><p> Hatred? A mass outpouring of hatred?</p><p> Violent anger?</p><p> People hurling the most virulent of assaults on others?</p><p> People willing to get themselves Banned, even Permabanned, over this?</p><p></p><p> -</p><p></p><p> Folks, I've seen all of the above, and more. And I have something to say here.</p><p></p><p> The decision to change over to 4E, and to *FORCE* everyone else to change (or else), was dreamed up by a few people (who are unknown, and probably not there anymore) at the very top of the echelon of Hasbro, unknown Corporate Executive Officers who saw things only in terms of a Hard World and the Bottom Line.</p><p> Same thing with the decision to take back and shut down Dragon and Dungeon Magazine.</p><p></p><p> This is not something done by the lower echelons of Hasbro. It was not done by the spokespeople of Hasbro. </p><p> This was not done by anyone at WOTC. They must do what Hasbro tells them, or truly it is 'else.'</p><p> This was not done by anyone who worked for TSR.</p><p> This was not done by anyone running or admining at a messageboard.</p><p> This was not done by anyone posting to ENWorld.</p><p> This was not done by anyone posting to any other gaming board.</p><p></p><p> This was done by few nebulous people at the very top of Hasbro, people whose names I do not know, most do not know, and perhaps nobody knows since nobody knows who made the decisions, it seems.</p><p></p><p> It will not help, to hate, to be angry, and to take both out on the innocent.</p><p> All that will do, is make the situation for our Hobby worse.</p><p></p><p> I think that if we must have a 'Flame War', why not have a merry Flame War over which weapon is better, Hydran Fusion Beams or the Hydran Hellbore, or Klingon Disruptors versus Federation Photon Torpedoes?</p><p> </p><p> NO amount of hate, anger, or vitrol is going to change (or even influence in the slightest way) the thinking of those who made (and make) the decisions.</p><p></p><p> All we can do is stand together as a group, we the Gamers, and hope for the best that can be. And do as we wish to do, regardless of what they tell us to do.</p><p> If *I* told you that you *had* to use Gemidan's Paralytic Missile in your game (2nd level, autokill, better than Power Word Stun which is 7th) you'd be pretty upset at me, no?</p><p> And you'd very nicely *ignore* me (which is what you should do!)</p><p></p><p> Well then, play the game you want to play, and don't worry about what they tell you to do, since they *can't* tell you what to do. That is a physical impossibility ... even if a few nebulous people don't realize that.</p><p></p><p> I'll say it again: it is not 3E versus 4E. It is 3E *AND* 4E. AND all the Other Editions. AND all the Other Stuff.</p><p></p><p> YOU are the ones with the final say. YOU are the DMs here. Not those few nebulous people.</p><p> Do you want Dragon and Dungeon back? It will happen, eventually ... even if they don't call the magazines by those names. Because you want them, and you will find another magazine and make it into what you have lost.</p><p></p><p> YOU are King and Queen here. YOU are the Final Arbiters here.</p><p></p><p> And I believe that WOTC is fully on your side (yes, that includes those that are ardent 4E supporters ... they have a right to support their favorite version of the game, of course!)</p><p> Everyone who understands, knows that the Only Way is Your Way, and Your Way is what you choose.</p><p></p><p> Nobody can ever take your position of Final Arbiter away from you. Ever. It is physically impossible. Think about it, and see the truth in this. The DM is the DM, not the player, and you are the DM.</p><p></p><p> Edena_of_Neith</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Edena_of_Neith, post: 4619487, member: 2020"] (solemnly) People leaving ENWorld over the edition change? People giving up the hobby over things? People losing friends, turning their back on their friends, over this? People wrecking gaming groups, turning messageboards into Flame Wars, destroying their own gaming material, throwing their gaming material away, over this? Hatred? A mass outpouring of hatred? Violent anger? People hurling the most virulent of assaults on others? People willing to get themselves Banned, even Permabanned, over this? - Folks, I've seen all of the above, and more. And I have something to say here. The decision to change over to 4E, and to *FORCE* everyone else to change (or else), was dreamed up by a few people (who are unknown, and probably not there anymore) at the very top of the echelon of Hasbro, unknown Corporate Executive Officers who saw things only in terms of a Hard World and the Bottom Line. Same thing with the decision to take back and shut down Dragon and Dungeon Magazine. This is not something done by the lower echelons of Hasbro. It was not done by the spokespeople of Hasbro. This was not done by anyone at WOTC. They must do what Hasbro tells them, or truly it is 'else.' This was not done by anyone who worked for TSR. This was not done by anyone running or admining at a messageboard. This was not done by anyone posting to ENWorld. This was not done by anyone posting to any other gaming board. This was done by few nebulous people at the very top of Hasbro, people whose names I do not know, most do not know, and perhaps nobody knows since nobody knows who made the decisions, it seems. It will not help, to hate, to be angry, and to take both out on the innocent. All that will do, is make the situation for our Hobby worse. I think that if we must have a 'Flame War', why not have a merry Flame War over which weapon is better, Hydran Fusion Beams or the Hydran Hellbore, or Klingon Disruptors versus Federation Photon Torpedoes? NO amount of hate, anger, or vitrol is going to change (or even influence in the slightest way) the thinking of those who made (and make) the decisions. All we can do is stand together as a group, we the Gamers, and hope for the best that can be. And do as we wish to do, regardless of what they tell us to do. If *I* told you that you *had* to use Gemidan's Paralytic Missile in your game (2nd level, autokill, better than Power Word Stun which is 7th) you'd be pretty upset at me, no? And you'd very nicely *ignore* me (which is what you should do!) Well then, play the game you want to play, and don't worry about what they tell you to do, since they *can't* tell you what to do. That is a physical impossibility ... even if a few nebulous people don't realize that. I'll say it again: it is not 3E versus 4E. It is 3E *AND* 4E. AND all the Other Editions. AND all the Other Stuff. YOU are the ones with the final say. YOU are the DMs here. Not those few nebulous people. Do you want Dragon and Dungeon back? It will happen, eventually ... even if they don't call the magazines by those names. Because you want them, and you will find another magazine and make it into what you have lost. YOU are King and Queen here. YOU are the Final Arbiters here. And I believe that WOTC is fully on your side (yes, that includes those that are ardent 4E supporters ... they have a right to support their favorite version of the game, of course!) Everyone who understands, knows that the Only Way is Your Way, and Your Way is what you choose. Nobody can ever take your position of Final Arbiter away from you. Ever. It is physically impossible. Think about it, and see the truth in this. The DM is the DM, not the player, and you are the DM. Edena_of_Neith [/QUOTE]
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