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Message: <blockquote data-quote="sword3274" data-source="post: 4628214" data-attributes="member: 71683">I totally agree with this. Until the one side can truly accept the other sides complaints - whether they agree with them or not - there will be no civilized discussion on the merits and flaws of 4e and 3e. At least not among both parties simultaneously. No one wants to be told that the reasons they don't like a particular system are "stupid" or they don't know what they are talking about. no one wants their input in a discussion to be piled on, or even to be edited or deleted just becuase a moderator doesn't share the posters opinion. Sadly, I fear many people can't get past their own feelings and opinions to not only see but also respect how others honestly feel about this. That isn't meant to be a knock against anyone specifically (or not) or anything to incite a riot - it's just human nature. I'll be the first to admit that I have a hard time accepting other viewpoints when I think mine is "right" (just ask my wife). If we do not perceive our own thoughts and feelings on a particular topic to be the most valid, we (at the very least) deem others opinions as less valid. And after this much time, I certain that gap cannot be bridged. It would be wonderful if it were possible, but human nature dictates it cannot, at least not in an internet forum...more's the pity. I have yet to be able to enter a civilied discussion on the merits and flaws of 4e (and 3e) before degrades into a mire of insults.     I think, after all this time, these numbers are rather fascinating.</blockquote>

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