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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8062997" data-attributes="member: 18">I dunno man, the idea is to make a potentially successful product long-term, rather than a one-off, right? I think most of what Level Up is doing is smart and sounds potentially interesting, because it's largely areas WotC seems to have no interest in engaging with, but where there is clearly interest from consumers.So that makes sense. Even if WotC changes their mind later, you'll have been there for some time, and I think it's less than likely that they will change their mind.Whereas with race/species changes, we know for a fact that WotC have them planned, and it sounded like that book wasn't a million miles away - given the playtesting of new feats and further subclasses, it seems likely to be even sooner. One of the books is going to come out first, I have no idea which, and I think it's quite likely to create an annoying situation for everyone if we have two separate, incompatible systems for the same thing, rather than an "Advanced" version of WotC's system.I don't think general points about bad timing apply when there is a specific issue, as is the case here.* Raises hand *I'd been playing D&D for a couple of years before I modelled a character on anything (Giogi Wyvernspur was the first - my version was called Theon, which I was very pleased with making up, until a decade or so later GRRM ruined it for me!). Looking at my group that's broadly true for most of them. Indeed it's true for a lot of people I played RPGs with in the 1988-1992 era. I actually saw a lot of that slightly later on, oddly enough, from people with a bit of experience, but not a huge amount. I had a player model a character on Doctor McNinja like four-five years ago too, and he was very experienced!Not criticising people who do base characters on cartoons - my first adventure (rather than PC) was inspired by an episode of the Gummi Bears cartoon (which was, bizarrely, medieval fantasy) - but just pointing out that probably quite a lot of people do have a different experience there.Had we started with a superhero RPG, as opposed to fantasy, I think the picture would have been very different. We got Marvel FASERIP a bit later, and almost no-one wanted to make their own character when they could play various X-Men, Spiderman, Cap, etc.</blockquote>

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