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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gorgoroth" data-source="post: 6124652" data-attributes="member: 6674889">If Wotc discontinues CB, they should allow OCB carte-blanche to be mentioned. I would never play 4e again, but I feel bad for current players. I disagree with people making their toons using pen and paper. I've seen it done by many experienced players with TONS of mistakes and missing calculations and conditional bonuses on their sheets. There are too many moving parts. Especially with the errata pinata shaking all the pieces around the board. I still have my 4e books, but were I predisposed to play it again, I'd definitely rely on OCB. If you have 3/4 players using a builder and the other one using pen and paper, guess which ones are accurate? That's right, the built ones. You have to be super vigilant to play the game with each power having potentially many errata, both directly visible and stealth visible. E.g. They errata'ed the divine challenge from the paladin to give it a boost, but you could be perfectly forgiven for missing that if you simply played by PHB 1. The classy thing to do is lift the ban on OCB and let the community take it from there. So you could have community driven errata or custom powers or classes added as packs, like they already do. It's really annoying, I feel like 4e is also unplayable without the builder, and I enjoyed using it a lot (the OCB one, that is). Eventually Next will get a dearth of supplemental material and we'll be back to this same treadmill of fighting against obsolescence if they threaten lawsuits everywhere against third party builders. My heart go out to you 4e players, especially DMs, who will have a much harder go of it without online tools (especially the DM side, to validate player choices are up-to-date with current errata to remove broken builds and feat/class/power combinations...there are simply too many permutations to count to not use them).</blockquote>

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