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<blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 4581010" data-attributes="member: 35909">The opponent still has a 5 ft step of his own, so you'd need two step backs in general.&nbsp; Problem is, the free 5 ft steps burn up AoO's, so doing this requires Combat Reflexes in order to be viable even for a duelist character, never mind escaping several attackers.&nbsp; Also, it is level 5, so you couldn't obtain it until level 9+, which might be an issue.&nbsp; Other than that, yeah it's a great stance for a graceful swordsman.&nbsp; I REALLY wish there was a Warblade type class that got IH, DM, and SS disciplines together to really load up on the &quot;skilled swordsman&quot; maneuvers and stances.I still think Iron Heart and Diamond Mind is just as good a way to go, and you get full BAB from Warblade.&nbsp; Stances would likely be mostly Diamond Mind.&nbsp; The initial stance at level 1 gives you +2 AC against a single foe and -2 against any others.&nbsp; You can always choose to have no stance if this becomes a problem and enter it once enemy numbers have dwindled.&nbsp; The next stance, Pearl of Black Doubt, gives you +2 dodge AC (cumulative) for every time you are missed by an attack (and resets each round), and would serve a similar purpose to the stance Runestar mentioned.&nbsp; Hearing the Air allows you some means of sensing invisible foes.&nbsp; Finally, Stance of Alacrity effectively lets you use a counter as a free action once per round, so you can do more things like parry (Wall of Blades) and turn a miss into a hit (Lightning Recovery) per turn.Again, it's a shame you can't get all 3 disciplines from a base class.&nbsp; The high level Setting Sun maneuver &quot;Fool's Strike&quot; would be particularly fitting for a master swordsman.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="StreamOfTheSky, post: 4581010, member: 35909"] The opponent still has a 5 ft step of his own, so you'd need two step backs in general. Problem is, the free 5 ft steps burn up AoO's, so doing this requires Combat Reflexes in order to be viable even for a duelist character, never mind escaping several attackers. Also, it is level 5, so you couldn't obtain it until level 9+, which might be an issue. Other than that, yeah it's a great stance for a graceful swordsman. I REALLY wish there was a Warblade type class that got IH, DM, and SS disciplines together to really load up on the "skilled swordsman" maneuvers and stances. I still think Iron Heart and Diamond Mind is just as good a way to go, and you get full BAB from Warblade. Stances would likely be mostly Diamond Mind. The initial stance at level 1 gives you +2 AC against a single foe and -2 against any others. You can always choose to have no stance if this becomes a problem and enter it once enemy numbers have dwindled. The next stance, Pearl of Black Doubt, gives you +2 dodge AC (cumulative) for every time you are missed by an attack (and resets each round), and would serve a similar purpose to the stance Runestar mentioned. Hearing the Air allows you some means of sensing invisible foes. Finally, Stance of Alacrity effectively lets you use a counter as a free action once per round, so you can do more things like parry (Wall of Blades) and turn a miss into a hit (Lightning Recovery) per turn. Again, it's a shame you can't get all 3 disciplines from a base class. The high level Setting Sun maneuver "Fool's Strike" would be particularly fitting for a master swordsman. [/QUOTE]

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