Charge Bonus on a Pounce?

[Keldin]

I figure that this question has probably been answered, but I can't seem to find it if it has - my Google-fu appears lacking in this case.

I'm well aware that a creature (or character) with the Pounce special ability gets a full attack if he charges. My question: Do these attacks gain the +2 charge bonus to hit? More precisely, do ALL of the attacks in this pounce full attack gain this bonus? Why or why not?

 

[delericho]

That's an interesting question. I had assumed the answer was "yes", but I can't find any actual statement to that effect. And there is some precedent for the alternative - if you get an AoO after a charge, that doesn't get the +2 bonus on the attack roll.

My inclination is to say "yes". The full attack is considered a part of the charge (modified by pounce), and so all attacks gain the bonus. (Whereas in the AoO case, that attack isn't part of the charge, but comes later.)

 

[Jackinthegreen]

Delericho pretty much nails it on the head from what I've seen with 3e. Each attack during a pounce is still part of a charge, so each one gets the +2 bonus. I'm not sure if it's actually noted like that in the rules though, so let's see if some of the creatures with rake (only possible with a pounce or grapple) have an attack bonus listed for it...

Hm, the lion entry has it listed as +7, which is correct for a regular attack since it has +3 BAB, +5 Str, and -1 size. So I suppose it's listed like that for grappling.

The charge rules themselves don't say anything about what happens with extra attacks if a creature gets them, and the pounce ability is likewise mum.

Aha! Page 101 of the Rules Compendium has this to say:

Pounce
When a creature that has this extraordinary special attack charges, it can still make a full attack even if it charged while restricted to a single action. All its attacks receive the +2 bonus on attack rolls gained from charging. If it uses its attacks to successfully start a grapple, and it has the rake ability, it can also make rake attacks.

Emphasis added for the relevant bit.

 

[Keldin]

Thank you! That's what I was looking for -- some kind of rules citation that listed it either way, because, frankly, while I was also leaning in this direction, I wanted to have something to cite just in case.