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<blockquote data-quote="Iku Rex" data-source="post: 2926091" data-attributes="member: 752"><p>I'm sorry but you're wrong according to the rules. Casting charm person on someone is an attack. Suddenly casting a spell in front of someone is threatening behavior. There is no exception for the charm spell itself. </p><p>No, it doesn't. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />eek: ) "Currently" refers to the time when the target has to make the save. Before you get that far you have to attack the creature with the spell. The DM may already have called for initiative rolls. Even if the creature doesn't understand that it's under attack it will certainly feel threatened if it knows anything about spells. (And possibly if it doesn't.) </p><p></p><p>Here's what Skip Williams has to say in Rules of the Game: </p><p></p><p></p><p>How do you figure? :\ There are plenty of ways to cast a charm spell without the target getting the bonus. Maybe the attacker is using a spell-like or supernatural ability. Maybe he's hiding or for some other reason going unnoticed. Maybe he's using Still and/or Silent spell. Maybe the attacker has bluffed or otherwise convinced the target into thinking the spell is harmless. (The latter won't work if the target has a good spellcraft skill.) </p><p></p><p>***</p><p></p><p>You're sitting in a bar. Suddenly some other patron pulls out a battle rifle. He chambers a round. "Ka-chink". There's soft "click" as the safety is turned off. He looks in your general direction and starts to raise his weapon... </p><p></p><p>Feeling <em>threatened</em> yet? There are other people around you. He might not be getting ready to fire at <em>you</em>. Right?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Iku Rex, post: 2926091, member: 752"] I'm sorry but you're wrong according to the rules. Casting charm person on someone is an attack. Suddenly casting a spell in front of someone is threatening behavior. There is no exception for the charm spell itself. No, it doesn't. (:eek: ) "Currently" refers to the time when the target has to make the save. Before you get that far you have to attack the creature with the spell. The DM may already have called for initiative rolls. Even if the creature doesn't understand that it's under attack it will certainly feel threatened if it knows anything about spells. (And possibly if it doesn't.) Here's what Skip Williams has to say in Rules of the Game: How do you figure? :\ There are plenty of ways to cast a charm spell without the target getting the bonus. Maybe the attacker is using a spell-like or supernatural ability. Maybe he's hiding or for some other reason going unnoticed. Maybe he's using Still and/or Silent spell. Maybe the attacker has bluffed or otherwise convinced the target into thinking the spell is harmless. (The latter won't work if the target has a good spellcraft skill.) *** You're sitting in a bar. Suddenly some other patron pulls out a battle rifle. He chambers a round. "Ka-chink". There's soft "click" as the safety is turned off. He looks in your general direction and starts to raise his weapon... Feeling [I]threatened[/I] yet? There are other people around you. He might not be getting ready to fire at [I]you[/I]. Right? [/QUOTE]
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