Charm vs. Compulsion

[Ahnehnois]

Here's the basic idea:

Enemy uses Suggestion on party member.
Party member tries to cast Charm Person and convince party member not to do suggestion.
Who wins?

I couldn't find much guidance within the rules for what to do with it.

 

[Vegepygmy]

Here's the basic idea:

Enemy uses Suggestion on party member.
Party member tries to cast Charm Person and convince party member not to do suggestion.
Who wins?

I couldn't find much guidance within the rules for what to do with it.

PHB, page 172:


Multiple Mental Control Effects:

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Sometimes magical effects that​

establish mental control render each other irrelevant. For example, a

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hold person ​

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effect renders any other form of mental control irrelevant​

because it robs the subject of the ability to move. Mental controls

that don’t remove the recipient’s ability to act usually do not
interfere with each other. For example, a person who has received a
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geas/quest ​

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spell can also be subjected to a charm person spell. The

charmed ​

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person remains committed to fulfilling the quest, however,​

and resists any order that interferes with that goal. In this case, the

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geas/quest ​

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spell doesn’t negate charm person, but it does reduce its​

effectiveness, just as nonmagical devotion to a quest would. If a

creature is under the mental control of two or more creatures, it
tends to obey each to the best of its ability, and to the extent of the
control each effect allows. If the controlled creature receives
conflicting orders simultaneously, the competing controllers must
make opposed Charisma checks to determine which one the​

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creature obeys.​

(Sorry about the formatting)​

 

[MichaelK]

PHB, page 172:

Multiple Mental Control Effects:

Sometimes magical effects that establish mental control render each other irrelevant. For example, a hold person effect renders any other form of mental control irrelevant because it robs the subject of the ability to move. Mental controls that don’t remove the recipient’s ability to act usually do not interfere with each other.

For example, a person who has received a geas/quest spell can also be subjected to a charm person spell. The charmed person remains committed to fulfilling the quest, however, and resists any order that interferes with that goal. In this case, the geas/quest spell doesn’t negate charm person, but it does reduce its effectiveness, just as nonmagical devotion to a quest would.

If a creature is under the mental control of two or more creatures, it tends to obey each to the best of its ability, and to the extent of the control each effect allows. If the controlled creature receives conflicting orders simultaneously, the competing controllers must make opposed Charisma checks to determine which one the creature obeys.​

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Fixed the formatting.

 

[Ahnehnois]

I had ruled that an opposed charisma check would allow the charmer to induce actions that were counterproductive to, but not contradictory to the suggestion, which sound about right.

Appreciate the reference-I knew it had to be there somewherer.